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[Urban Legend]

Here is the new Crossbow specific head out from New Archery Products.  It is called the F.O.C. and wheighs in at 170 grains.  It has a 3" cutting diameter and only comes in a 2 blade version.

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[vixenmaster]

3" cut is big! Maybe the 2 blades will be great. Myself i would like a 3 bladed model, talk about letting the air out of yer game quickly. They have a 170 gr 3 blade but not with the big cut.

[See4miles]

I'm gonna have to be a naysayer on this one.  The 3" cut is too big as in, too much cutting surface area to get through a shoulder blade. I think it will stall before it gets all the way through, or not get to the other side even if it does.  Just my opinion and, time will tell once this head starts getting some use.  I hope I'm wrong.

[xbowguy]

I did see some pics from a recovered deer shot with this new head at the ATA Show.  My god the hole was huge!  Shooter said there was blood everywhere as you could imagine.  Blade cut through 4 ribs and never though about stopping.

If you put the arrow where it needs to be and stay off the shoulder, from the photos I saw, you should consider trying this head if legal.  Remember your arrow will shoot a little slower but as long as you do your homework that will not be an issue.

[rt2bowhunter]

I don't think penetration will be a problem. I pushed a 2" 3 blade grim reaper through this does shoulder.Shooting a 370gr arrow at 295fps.

Not a big deer i will give you that.
The price of these SF FOC's look to be barking at $50 for 3. I wounder where they got the 170gr weight are they made of steal.

[firemedic396]

Kinda looks like one of those from a company called Schwaker or something like that.

[See4miles]

I'm with you on staying away from the shouder blade.  But that doesn't mean you always will.  I like to hope for the best, and plan for the worst.

[Hardawaypoints]

Shot placement is the key.  I shot three deer with a 1 & 1/16th fixed head this year and none went 50 yards.  

I suppose there is a market for such though. I guess it keeps the manufacturers & engineers busy.

Jim

[Kiwininja]

See4miles, on 10 January 2011 - 09:48 PM, said:

I like to hope for the best, and plan for the worst.

[time4revo]

They certainly look impressive, however the State of MN does not allow mechanicals larger than 2 inches. This is from the pdf form from MN DNR Page 55.

LEGAL BOWS AND ARROWS FOR BIG GAME
• Bows must have a pull no less than 30 pounds at or before full draw.
• Arrowheads used for taking big game must be sharp, have a minimum
of two metal cutting edges, be of barbless broadhead design, and have
a diameter of at least ⅞ inch.
• “Expandable” broadheads may be used to take big game if they meet
the requirements above and: 1) are at least ⅞ inch in width and no
more than 2 inches in width at or after impact; and 2) are of a barbless
design and function in a barbless manner.
• No person may hunt with a bow drawn, held, or released by a
mechanical device, except disabled hunters who have a crossbow permit

So if you are in the state of MN these broadheads are a NO NO and will get you into trouble, at least thats how I read this regulation.

[poindexter]

I kinda like to eat venison, so I don't like a lot of damage to the meat. This one looks like too much lost eating to me....poindexter

[karl]

they have worked very well for me this year great blood trails
all with in 40 yards of the shoot.
the last one the buck i did break on of the blades off.

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[karl]

karl, on 09 November 2011 - 12:54 PM, said:

they have worked very well for me this year great blood trails
all with in 40 yards of the shoot.
the last one the buck i did break on of the blades off.

sorry wrong buck

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[M48scout]

Is that buck field dressed or is that the entrance wound from a Texas heart shot!  Ha!

[H&S Archer]

I would not recommend the FOC 170 to crossbow generating less than 100# of KE. My StrykeForce produces 145# of KE and I have taken 2 deer 1 boar and 1 Turkey. I have to say its the fastest average kills. Here is a buck I just took 11/9/11

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[treestandguy]

I posted the following on another thread before I saw this one.  I love these F.O.C's.

I use NAP f.O.C 2 blade mech. w/3" cut.  170 grain. Lots of kenitic  energy from my SZ380. Have shot 3 deer so far this season and all three  were passthroughs. The first buck was 15.5 yds. & it knocked him  down and then he only went 40 yds.  Blew through the heart left a huge  hole on the exit side.  Second deer was the same but no knock down.  3rd  deer did not run or even jerk for a couple of seconds right after the  hit.  then ran about 20 yds and crashed into a tree and piled up.  Arrow  went in high (I'm 28' up), cut the heart in half and then shattered the  opposite leg and still blew through.

[Buttonbuckslayer!]

I was thinking about getting a pack to test on some late season doe's.  I'm shooting a tornado with red hot bolts.  My concern was that with the red hots already having a insert in the front, will I have too much FOC. with a 170 grain tip.  Ive killed four deer this year with slick trick magnums, and haven't been happy with the blood trails.  I'm hoping to fix this with these heads.  If not, I might just go back to spitfires, I probably should have never stopped using them in the first place.

[H&S Archer]

Buttonbuckslayer!, on 15 November 2011 - 07:48 AM, said:

I was thinking about getting a pack to test on some late season doe's.  I'm shooting a tornado with red hot bolts.  My concern was that with the red hots already having a insert in the front, will I have too much FOC. with a 170 grain tip.  Ive killed four deer this year with slick trick magnums, and haven't been happy with the blood trails.  I'm hoping to fix this with these heads.  If not, I might just go back to spitfires, I probably should have never stopped using them in the first place.

If you used a Gold Tip Laser II with an aluminum insert then a 170 grain head you might be around 415 grains.

[Aimo]

WOW !!! 3" cut is big enough to do surgery..but i like my 100 gr broadhead..make it faster and smoky

[UrbanDeerSlayer]

I wanna try this from my Horton TRT Ultralite shooting 330 FPS.  I gotta smack down the deer quick in the backyard, cant have them running all over the neighborhood.