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[Hoosier Hunter]

Hoosiers...

The Indiana Natural Resources Commission last Tuesday approved preliminary adoption of DNR recommended rule changes for deer hunting, including full crossbow inclusion.

You may now give input on this proposal to the NRC at -

http://www.in.gov/nrc/2377.htm

It is under the Deer Amendments..

Do it today....

Here are all the links I could find pertaining to the new deer proposal


Administrative Rule (Regulation) Changes

http://www.in.gov/dn...shwild/2362.htm

Rule language

http://www.in.gov/dn...ry_Jan_2011.pdf

Commonly asked questions regarding the Deer Proposal

http://www.in.gov/dn...eet_Jan2011.pdf

2010 & proposed deer season comparison chart

http://www.in.gov/dn...sonProposal.pdf

The “Checklist for rule adoption is that at –

http://www.in.gov/nr...C_Checklist.pdf


Now for the input portion -

It states -

Public Comment on Proposed Rule Amendments

The Natural Resources Commission adopted nonrule policy document, Information Bulletin #55. The primary purpose of this bulletin is to encourage consistency, transparency and efficiency in the development of hearing officer reports by employees of the Division of Hearings to the Natural Resources Commission. Information Bulletin #55 clarifies thatcitizens must identify themselves when filing comments in order for those comments to be included in a report or to be considered by a hearing officer in an analysis. The nonrule policy document also clarifies that public comments will be accepted through the comment form on this page, sent to the Commission by regular mail, or if approved by the Commission, by telephone.

IMPORTANT - If you do not identify yourself your comments will not be included.


The Deer (white-tailed) Amendments – Click on to Comment on this rule -

This page will look different that the previous comment page. It even has a Security code so that mass emails can not be sent via a bot..

Be sure and fill the form out completely paying strict attention to the fields that have an asterisk * by them. Those are REQUIRED fields.

Since the deer proposals is mult-facetted I try to comment on each item. Thus the NRC does not have to sort through each piece of input to get to the meat of the matter. Comment as much as you want and as often as you want.

Edited by Hoosier Hunter, 14 January 2011 - 12:03 PM.

[quadkiller]

thanks for the references. lets get it finished i'll do my part

[Hoosier Hunter]

quadkiller, on 14 January 2011 - 12:46 PM, said:

thanks for the references. lets get it finished i'll do my part

me too...thanks for your help.

[briarpatch]

done.....hopefully Indiana will be the next...and then....WISCONSIN!!!!

[Hoosier Hunter]

You may now give input on this proposal to the NRC at -

http://www.in.gov/nrc/2377.htm

It is under the Deer Amendments..

Do it today....

[Munsterlndr]

Done!

[Hoosier Hunter]

We have the usual anti-crossbow groups fighting it.

The state bowhunting organization

The state deer hutning organization - who's president is VERY anti-crossbow

The state "Sportsman's Roundtabe" who's president is the bowhunting organization's legisaltive liason and VERY anti-crossbow.

Fortunately in this last proposal (the first was withdrawn) the DNR is ignoring these guys.

Although I do not like the NRC making decisions by "counting for and against noses" it is important to get as much pro input as possible to the NRC.

Thanks to all that have helped..

[Tim50]

Hoosier Hunter, on 29 January 2011 - 09:06 AM, said:

We have the usual anti-crossbow groups fighting it.

The state bowhunting organization

The state deer hutning organization - who's president is VERY anti-crossbow

The state "Sportsman's Roundtabe" who's president is the bowhunting organization's legisaltive liason and VERY anti-crossbow.

Fortunately in this last proposal (the first was withdrawn) the DNR is ignoring these guys.

Although I do not like the NRC making decisions by "counting for and against noses" it is important to get as much pro input as possible to the NRC.

Thanks to all that have helped..

If your NCR reviews available facts from states that have inclusion you should have no problem. The problem always comes back to being a social/emotional issue. Most states bowhunting organizations are well established & have many ties within the NCR's. The hard part is getting YOUR NCR to act on facts & data NOT misinformation, emotion & good old boy politics. Easier said THAN done!! Good luck with inclusion in your state.

Edited by Tim50, 29 January 2011 - 11:58 AM.

[Hoosier Hunter]

Tim and others,

I've tried to offset that "social/emotional issue" by showing that the Indiana deer hunters are in favor of crossbows in the archery season. The anti-crossbow clubs represent only themselves and are a very small minority of the Indiana deer hunters. Scientific surveys and a poll conducted online by the IDNR shows that more Indiana deer hunters are in favor of crossbows in the archery season than those that oppose it.

The 1996 Indiana Crossbow Survey

In June and July of 1996 the DNR contracted a non-biased firm of Massie and Associates to conduct their Indiana deer hunter survey.

This was a totally random phone survey of 413 Indiana hunters and was conducted between June 27th and July 8th, 1996.

The question in the survey was:

“As a means of expanding hunting opportunities, do you support or oppose the legalization of crossbows for deer hunting in Indiana?”

The results were:

General Attitude
Support – 46%
Opposed – 38%
Neutral – 15%

Early Archery
Support – 48%
Opposed – 44%
Neutral – 7%

Margin of error: at a 95% level of confidence, the responses we could expect if we interviewed every Hoosier hunter range form an even 41%:41% split, “support” to “oppose’, to 51% ;33%, “support to “oppose. In other, words the margin of error range demonstrates that the population leans to the “support” view.


The 2005 Indiana Crossbow Survey

In 2005 the IDNR surveyed deer hunters in all 92 Indiana counties. 8,344 hunters returned the survey. This was a very scientific survey.


The results were:

49.5% supports crossbow usage in ANY archery segment

34.8% who oppose crossbow usage in ANY archery segment.

11.4 neither supported nor opposed


That is 14.7% more hunters that favored allowing crossbows in ANY archery season than opposed them..


The Online 2010 Indiana Crossbow Poll

In early 2010 the DNR conducted online polls of the Indiana deer hunters.

On the subject of crossbows in all archery seasons the results were:

42% supported or strongly support full inclusion of crossbows
26% were neutral
32% opposed or strongly opposed.

10% more of Indiana hunters wanted crossbows for all deer season, with a huge chunk being neutral.

[November Sunrise]

Hoosier Hunter, on 29 January 2011 - 05:55 PM, said:

The 2005 Indiana Crossbow Survey

In 2005 the IDNR surveyed deer hunters in all 92 Indiana counties. 8,344 hunters returned the survey. This was a very scientific survey.


The results were:

49.5% supports crossbow usage in ANY archery segment

34.8% who oppose crossbow usage in ANY archery segment.

11.4 neither supported nor opposed


That is 14.7% more hunters that favored allowing crossbows in ANY archery season than opposed them..

That's 14 points higher. On a percentage basis the level of support was over 40% higher than the level of opposition. Those are landslide numbers.

Are these survey results common knowledge to Indiana hunters?

Shame that the Indiana DNR has waited this long considering that there's been support for 15 years now, but at least these survey results should bolster the courage of the NRC to follow through and not compromise the existing proposal.

Edited by November Sunrise, 29 January 2011 - 08:58 PM.

[Tim50]

Hoosier Hunter, on 29 January 2011 - 05:55 PM, said:

Tim and others,

I've tried to offset that "social/emotional issue" by showing that the Indiana deer hunters are in favor of crossbows in the archery season. The anti-crossbow clubs represent only themselves and are a very small minority of the Indiana deer hunters. Scientific surveys and a poll conducted online by the IDNR shows that more Indiana deer hunters are in favor of crossbows in the archery season than those that oppose it.

Good job! Facts & data are what win over the IDNR. There should be great data available from recent inclusion states like Pennsylvania, Michigan, New Jersey & Texas. You are correct in assuming that these small selfserving anti crossbow organizations only speak for a very small portion of the hunting community! That is something the IDNR must be made aware of if they are not already! Keep up the good work your doing a great job & good luck with inclusion!!

[mike1975]

Done Deal, really hope it helps you guys and galls in Indiana.

[shopgun]

Input given. Here's hoping this boat floats.

[Hoosier Hunter]

Bump......

[Hoosier Hunter]

Hoosiers,

Not sure yet if this will be on the NRCs's March meeting agenda or not, so keep those emails flowing.

Give input on the crossbow proposal at the NRC site at -

http://www.in.gov/nrc/2377.htm

It is under the Deer Amendments..

Do it today....

[Hoosier Hunter]

An outdoor writer names Don Mulligan is organizing opposition to the new deer proposal and it is aimed directly at the crossbow part.

He liked the first proposal as it shortened and moved the gun season. Even though the DNR said it would kill more deer. Now he is against the second proposal as "it will kill too many deer". Pretty hypocritical.

He is a bally hooing the video of a 100 yard shot by a TAC 15 as if that translates to hunting. What Don wont post is that there literally dozens of vertical bow shots the net at that distance and further.

Don is also calling for non-hunters and out of staters to join in and send in input on our game .

Check out the "Disneyesq" website. He has animals there that are thinking about the proposal.. lmao

http://www.protectin...doorsports.com.

[quadkiller]

this don mulligan is the same outdoor writer that put salt blocks on his property to keep his neighbors from hunting his fence rows. i can understand frustration about neighbors hunting to close to your property lines, but to put salt blocks by the stands, thats pretty bold. this tells me he has a "God" complex. he thinks he should be the only one in the woods and doesn't want to grow the sport of archery. he'd rather less people be hunting.

[quadkiller]

I also talked to Chad Stewart today and he didn't think this new proposal was gonna get done for this year he also said that as of right now the majority of feedback was about 50% positive 10-15% neutral and the rest negative. so we need to keep up the input.

[Hoosier Hunter]

quadkiller, on 02 March 2011 - 02:51 PM, said:

I also talked to Chad Stewart today and he didn't think this new proposal was gonna get done for this year he also said that as of right now the majority of feedback was about 50% positive 10-15% neutral and the rest negative. so we need to keep up the input.

QK,

That is interesting. Is that % on just the crossbow portion or the whole proposal or did he say?

This is taking way too long. This has been going on for close to two years now with no end in sight.

The legislature is looking at ways to simplify it.

[quadkiller]

i'm not sure if those % were over all or just crossbow part. I think he was trying to generalize the response to the whole thing. we had talked about 15-20 min. and that being said he was more positive about this proposal than negative. he just wasn't real positive on the part of it being done this year, not to say that it couldn't be done. i would generalize the conversation to say they are getting a lot less heat from the general public over this one, but they are facing more of a targeted group of people who are not happy with it, and those groups are trying very hard to drum up support. thats not a shocker.