Crossbow bill draws opposition
By BRIAN GEHRING Bismarck Tribune | Posted: Thursday, February 3, 2011 5:08 pm
The House Energy and Natural Resources Committee considered a pair of bills Thursday afternoon dealing with hunting, taking no action on either.
House Bill 1393, if approved, would add crossbows as legal weapons during gun seasons for deer and possibly spring turkey.
But the bill drew opposition from sporting groups. Nancy Buechler, representing the United Sportsmen of North Dakota, said the group opposed the bill saying it could provide a foot in the door to expand the use of crossbows during archery seasons.
“It’s a stepping stone to legalize it during archery season,” she said. Buechler said a December survey of their membership showed more than 50 percent opposed the use of crossbows during gun season and 70 percent opposed its use during archery season.
In North Dakota, crossbows are now legal to use during the archery season with a special permit granted through the Game and Fish Department because of physical disability.
Randy Kreil, wildlife division chief for the Game and Fish Department, said two types of crossbow permits, temporary and permanent, are available to both residents and non-residents.
In 2010, he said 1,630 permanent and 66 temporary permits were issued to hunters and 1,347 of the permanent permits were issued to residents.
Kreil said the Game and Fish Department is neutral on the bill.
Bill Helphrey of the North Dakota Bowhunters Association said his group also opposes the bill, seeing it as a stepping stone to approve it later during the regular archery season.
That was case in Michigan, he said, telling the committee it took three years. “We think that is way it’s going to go,” Helphrey said.
In states that allow crossbows to be used during archery seasons, he said participation has decreased significantly because of the competition between traditional bow hunters and those using crossbows.
Paul Shannon of Bismarck, a member of the Professional Bowhunters Society, spoke in opposition saying there also is an ethical side to the issue.
He said crossbows “are deadly beyond 100 yards,” and could give archery hunters a decided advantage over traditional bowhunters.
“The crossbow just doesn’t fit in to the scheme of things at all as far as archery hunting,” he said.
The North Dakota Wildlife Federation also opposes the bill.
A separate bill would add three counties to the state’s non-resident early Canada goose season; Towner, Ramsey and Benson.
Rep. Dennis Johnson, R-Devils Lake, a co-sponsor of the bill, said the bill is intended to help control the damage done to cropland by the increase Canada goose population.
Non-residents are allowed to hunt the geese beginning Aug. 15 in Sargent and Richland counties in southeastern North Dakota and HB 1407 would follow the same regulations.
The limit is five geese per day. The bill also would provide a sunset clause through July of 2013.
Johnson said estimates of crop losses from geese in the Devils Lake area is about 21 acres per farmer, more than $767,000 in losses.
Rep. Curt Hofstad, R-Devils Lake, a member of the House Energy and Natural Resources Committee, spoke in support of the bill.
“This is about agriculture,” Hofstad said. “It is a problem.”
The North Dakota Wildlife Federation did not support the bill.
(Reach reporter Brian Gehring 250-8254 or brian.gehring@bismarcktribune.com.)
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Ah, an idealist. Ok, I'll put pen to paper and contact my congressman. But I will talk to God tonight, just in case.
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buckeye dan, on 10 February 2011 - 12:23 AM, said:
Crossbow bill draws opposition
By BRIAN GEHRING Bismarck Tribune | Posted: Thursday, February 3, 2011 5:08 pm
The House Energy and Natural Resources Committee considered a pair of bills Thursday afternoon dealing with hunting, taking no action on either.
House Bill 1393, if approved, would add crossbows as legal weapons during gun seasons for deer and possibly spring turkey.
But the bill drew opposition from sporting groups. Nancy Buechler, representing the United Sportsmen of North Dakota, said the group opposed the bill saying it could provide a foot in the door to expand the use of crossbows during archery seasons.
“It’s a stepping stone to legalize it during archery season,” she said. Buechler said a December survey of their membership showed more than 50 percent opposed the use of crossbows during gun season and 70 percent opposed its use during archery season.
In North Dakota, crossbows are now legal to use during the archery season with a special permit granted through the Game and Fish Department because of physical disability.
Randy Kreil, wildlife division chief for the Game and Fish Department, said two types of crossbow permits, temporary and permanent, are available to both residents and non-residents.
In 2010, he said 1,630 permanent and 66 temporary permits were issued to hunters and 1,347 of the permanent permits were issued to residents.
Kreil said the Game and Fish Department is neutral on the bill.
Bill Helphrey of the North Dakota Bowhunters Association said his group also opposes the bill, seeing it as a stepping stone to approve it later during the regular archery season.
That was case in Michigan, he said, telling the committee it took three years. “We think that is way it’s going to go,” Helphrey said.
In states that allow crossbows to be used during archery seasons, he said participation has decreased significantly because of the competition between traditional bow hunters and those using crossbows.
Paul Shannon of Bismarck, a member of the Professional Bowhunters Society, spoke in opposition saying there also is an ethical side to the issue.
He said crossbows “are deadly beyond 100 yards,” and could give archery hunters a decided advantage over traditional bowhunters.
“The crossbow just doesn’t fit in to the scheme of things at all as far as archery hunting,” he said.
The North Dakota Wildlife Federation also opposes the bill.
A separate bill would add three counties to the state’s non-resident early Canada goose season; Towner, Ramsey and Benson.
Rep. Dennis Johnson, R-Devils Lake, a co-sponsor of the bill, said the bill is intended to help control the damage done to cropland by the increase Canada goose population.
Non-residents are allowed to hunt the geese beginning Aug. 15 in Sargent and Richland counties in southeastern North Dakota and HB 1407 would follow the same regulations.
The limit is five geese per day. The bill also would provide a sunset clause through July of 2013.
Johnson said estimates of crop losses from geese in the Devils Lake area is about 21 acres per farmer, more than $767,000 in losses.
Rep. Curt Hofstad, R-Devils Lake, a member of the House Energy and Natural Resources Committee, spoke in support of the bill.
“This is about agriculture,” Hofstad said. “It is a problem.”
The North Dakota Wildlife Federation did not support the bill.
(Reach reporter Brian Gehring 250-8254 or brian.gehring@bismarcktribune.com.)
Source: http://www.bismarckt...1cc4c002e0.html
By BRIAN GEHRING Bismarck Tribune | Posted: Thursday, February 3, 2011 5:08 pm
The House Energy and Natural Resources Committee considered a pair of bills Thursday afternoon dealing with hunting, taking no action on either.
House Bill 1393, if approved, would add crossbows as legal weapons during gun seasons for deer and possibly spring turkey.
But the bill drew opposition from sporting groups. Nancy Buechler, representing the United Sportsmen of North Dakota, said the group opposed the bill saying it could provide a foot in the door to expand the use of crossbows during archery seasons.
“It’s a stepping stone to legalize it during archery season,” she said. Buechler said a December survey of their membership showed more than 50 percent opposed the use of crossbows during gun season and 70 percent opposed its use during archery season.
In North Dakota, crossbows are now legal to use during the archery season with a special permit granted through the Game and Fish Department because of physical disability.
Randy Kreil, wildlife division chief for the Game and Fish Department, said two types of crossbow permits, temporary and permanent, are available to both residents and non-residents.
In 2010, he said 1,630 permanent and 66 temporary permits were issued to hunters and 1,347 of the permanent permits were issued to residents.
Kreil said the Game and Fish Department is neutral on the bill.
Bill Helphrey of the North Dakota Bowhunters Association said his group also opposes the bill, seeing it as a stepping stone to approve it later during the regular archery season.
That was case in Michigan, he said, telling the committee it took three years. “We think that is way it’s going to go,” Helphrey said.
In states that allow crossbows to be used during archery seasons, he said participation has decreased significantly because of the competition between traditional bow hunters and those using crossbows.
Paul Shannon of Bismarck, a member of the Professional Bowhunters Society, spoke in opposition saying there also is an ethical side to the issue.
He said crossbows “are deadly beyond 100 yards,” and could give archery hunters a decided advantage over traditional bowhunters.
“The crossbow just doesn’t fit in to the scheme of things at all as far as archery hunting,” he said.
The North Dakota Wildlife Federation also opposes the bill.
A separate bill would add three counties to the state’s non-resident early Canada goose season; Towner, Ramsey and Benson.
Rep. Dennis Johnson, R-Devils Lake, a co-sponsor of the bill, said the bill is intended to help control the damage done to cropland by the increase Canada goose population.
Non-residents are allowed to hunt the geese beginning Aug. 15 in Sargent and Richland counties in southeastern North Dakota and HB 1407 would follow the same regulations.
The limit is five geese per day. The bill also would provide a sunset clause through July of 2013.
Johnson said estimates of crop losses from geese in the Devils Lake area is about 21 acres per farmer, more than $767,000 in losses.
Rep. Curt Hofstad, R-Devils Lake, a member of the House Energy and Natural Resources Committee, spoke in support of the bill.
“This is about agriculture,” Hofstad said. “It is a problem.”
The North Dakota Wildlife Federation did not support the bill.
(Reach reporter Brian Gehring 250-8254 or brian.gehring@bismarcktribune.com.)
Source: http://www.bismarckt...1cc4c002e0.html
Wow, The said (( He said crossbows “are deadly beyond 100 yards,” and could give archery hunters a decided advantage over traditional bowhunters. ))
I sure hope they get the facts straight!!
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Zrt1200, on 10 February 2011 - 04:43 AM, said:
Wow, The said (( He said crossbows “are deadly beyond 100 yards,” and could give archery hunters a decided advantage over traditional bowhunters. ))
I sure hope they get the facts straight!!
I sure hope they get the facts straight!!
Getting facts straight is NEVER a priority with the anti crossbow types. They love the sky is falling mentality! One can only hope the powers that be will do some independent research on the crossbow issue and not take the word from the anti crossbow proponents! Misinformation, emotion and even some lies fuel their anti crossbow attacks!
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Posted 16 February 2011 - 11:32 AM
The crossbow haters are so panicked they are now opposing crossbows in rifle season??!! Unbelievable!!
Groups like the United Sportsmen of North Dakota need to be vomited out of the hunting society and washed down the drain with the likes of HSUS and PETA!
Groups like the United Sportsmen of North Dakota need to be vomited out of the hunting society and washed down the drain with the likes of HSUS and PETA!
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Thanks Dan for posting it I will need to call my rep on this.
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buckeye dan, on 10 February 2011 - 12:23 AM, said:
Crossbow bill draws opposition
By BRIAN GEHRING Bismarck Tribune | Posted: Thursday, February 3, 2011 5:08 pm
The House Energy and Natural Resources Committee considered a pair of bills Thursday afternoon dealing with hunting, taking no action on either.
House Bill 1393, if approved, would add crossbows as legal weapons during gun seasons for deer and possibly spring turkey.
But the bill drew opposition from sporting groups. Nancy Buechler, representing the United Sportsmen of North Dakota, said the group opposed the bill saying it could provide a foot in the door to expand the use of crossbows during archery seasons.
“It’s a stepping stone to legalize it during archery season,” she said. Buechler said a December survey of their membership showed more than 50 percent opposed the use of crossbows during gun season and 70 percent opposed its use during archery season.
In North Dakota, crossbows are now legal to use during the archery season with a special permit granted through the Game and Fish Department because of physical disability.
Randy Kreil, wildlife division chief for the Game and Fish Department, said two types of crossbow permits, temporary and permanent, are available to both residents and non-residents.
In 2010, he said 1,630 permanent and 66 temporary permits were issued to hunters and 1,347 of the permanent permits were issued to residents.
Kreil said the Game and Fish Department is neutral on the bill.
Bill Helphrey of the North Dakota Bowhunters Association said his group also opposes the bill, seeing it as a stepping stone to approve it later during the regular archery season.
That was case in Michigan, he said, telling the committee it took three years. “We think that is way it’s going to go,” Helphrey said.
In states that allow crossbows to be used during archery seasons, he said participation has decreased significantly because of the competition between traditional bow hunters and those using crossbows.
Paul Shannon of Bismarck, a member of the Professional Bowhunters Society, spoke in opposition saying there also is an ethical side to the issue.
He said crossbows “are deadly beyond 100 yards,” and could give archery hunters a decided advantage over traditional bowhunters.
“The crossbow just doesn’t fit in to the scheme of things at all as far as archery hunting,” he said.
The North Dakota Wildlife Federation also opposes the bill.
A separate bill would add three counties to the state’s non-resident early Canada goose season; Towner, Ramsey and Benson.
Rep. Dennis Johnson, R-Devils Lake, a co-sponsor of the bill, said the bill is intended to help control the damage done to cropland by the increase Canada goose population.
Non-residents are allowed to hunt the geese beginning Aug. 15 in Sargent and Richland counties in southeastern North Dakota and HB 1407 would follow the same regulations.
The limit is five geese per day. The bill also would provide a sunset clause through July of 2013.
Johnson said estimates of crop losses from geese in the Devils Lake area is about 21 acres per farmer, more than $767,000 in losses.
Rep. Curt Hofstad, R-Devils Lake, a member of the House Energy and Natural Resources Committee, spoke in support of the bill.
“This is about agriculture,” Hofstad said. “It is a problem.”
The North Dakota Wildlife Federation did not support the bill.
(Reach reporter Brian Gehring 250-8254 or brian.gehring@bismarcktribune.com.)
Source: http://www.bismarckt...1cc4c002e0.html
By BRIAN GEHRING Bismarck Tribune | Posted: Thursday, February 3, 2011 5:08 pm
The House Energy and Natural Resources Committee considered a pair of bills Thursday afternoon dealing with hunting, taking no action on either.
House Bill 1393, if approved, would add crossbows as legal weapons during gun seasons for deer and possibly spring turkey.
But the bill drew opposition from sporting groups. Nancy Buechler, representing the United Sportsmen of North Dakota, said the group opposed the bill saying it could provide a foot in the door to expand the use of crossbows during archery seasons.
“It’s a stepping stone to legalize it during archery season,” she said. Buechler said a December survey of their membership showed more than 50 percent opposed the use of crossbows during gun season and 70 percent opposed its use during archery season.
In North Dakota, crossbows are now legal to use during the archery season with a special permit granted through the Game and Fish Department because of physical disability.
Randy Kreil, wildlife division chief for the Game and Fish Department, said two types of crossbow permits, temporary and permanent, are available to both residents and non-residents.
In 2010, he said 1,630 permanent and 66 temporary permits were issued to hunters and 1,347 of the permanent permits were issued to residents.
Kreil said the Game and Fish Department is neutral on the bill.
Bill Helphrey of the North Dakota Bowhunters Association said his group also opposes the bill, seeing it as a stepping stone to approve it later during the regular archery season.
That was case in Michigan, he said, telling the committee it took three years. “We think that is way it’s going to go,” Helphrey said.
In states that allow crossbows to be used during archery seasons, he said participation has decreased significantly because of the competition between traditional bow hunters and those using crossbows.
Paul Shannon of Bismarck, a member of the Professional Bowhunters Society, spoke in opposition saying there also is an ethical side to the issue.
He said crossbows “are deadly beyond 100 yards,” and could give archery hunters a decided advantage over traditional bowhunters.
“The crossbow just doesn’t fit in to the scheme of things at all as far as archery hunting,” he said.
The North Dakota Wildlife Federation also opposes the bill.
A separate bill would add three counties to the state’s non-resident early Canada goose season; Towner, Ramsey and Benson.
Rep. Dennis Johnson, R-Devils Lake, a co-sponsor of the bill, said the bill is intended to help control the damage done to cropland by the increase Canada goose population.
Non-residents are allowed to hunt the geese beginning Aug. 15 in Sargent and Richland counties in southeastern North Dakota and HB 1407 would follow the same regulations.
The limit is five geese per day. The bill also would provide a sunset clause through July of 2013.
Johnson said estimates of crop losses from geese in the Devils Lake area is about 21 acres per farmer, more than $767,000 in losses.
Rep. Curt Hofstad, R-Devils Lake, a member of the House Energy and Natural Resources Committee, spoke in support of the bill.
“This is about agriculture,” Hofstad said. “It is a problem.”
The North Dakota Wildlife Federation did not support the bill.
(Reach reporter Brian Gehring 250-8254 or brian.gehring@bismarcktribune.com.)
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The haters are amazing. "Participation decreases in states where crossbows are legalized." Utter rubbish. In PA, archery tag sales went up by 7% after crossbows were legalized for full inclusion. The increase followed a steady annual drop of 4-5% of archery tags.
"Deadly from over 100 yards". My 30-06 is deadly from over 1,000 yards, but that doesn't mean I'm going to try to drop a mortar shot in.
Edited by CowboyCO, 23 February 2011 - 11:24 AM.
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Its on the Nd G&F site that a bill passed allowing crossbows to be "Legal weapons" during "Gun Season" not sure yet what happened whether this is a different bill or was modified, I will look later. I dont see that as major impact
for crossbows and doubt it will greatly increase crossbow usage in North Dakota. Had it been during Archery Season it would have been different.
for crossbows and doubt it will greatly increase crossbow usage in North Dakota. Had it been during Archery Season it would have been different.
Edited by DepartmentofRedundacyDept., 27 February 2011 - 02:28 PM.
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DepartmentofRedundacyDept., on 27 February 2011 - 02:28 PM, said:
Its on the Nd G&F site that a bill passed allowing crossbows to be "Legal weapons" during "Gun Season" not sure yet what happened whether this is a different bill or was modified, I will look later. I dont see that as major impact
for crossbows and doubt it will greatly increase crossbow usage in North Dakota. Had it been during Archery Season it would have been different.
for crossbows and doubt it will greatly increase crossbow usage in North Dakota. Had it been during Archery Season it would have been different.
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The Bill passed and has been signed by the Governor. You can now use a crossbow in ND during any deer firearms season. There are some optics specifications I do NOT have answers to yet.
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Posted 22 April 2011 - 04:13 PM
Yes it passed making it a "legal weapon" during gun season...there is a lottery for gun deer licenses in ND, and most of ND is pretty open and calls for longer range shooting..I was at a advisory board meeting locally last night and the game and fish said they were happy with that but didnt want crossbows in archery. Btw the origanal was modified.
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Posted 22 April 2011 - 04:17 PM
crossbows remain legal with a handicap permit either temp. or perm.
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They basically stuck crossbows were they don't belong and no one will use them.
pity....,.
pity....,.
