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[skg2004]

Just got my new DTM375 a few days ago. I have been swamped at work and have not shot it yet, but assembled it today. I got it from Jason at the Cherryville, NC store. Nice guy and great price for the whole package. I will shoot it this weekend and give a follow up. I cannot get over how light and simplistic this thing looks and feels. One question: how tight should the 4 little allen screws that comes out from the yoke onto the limbs be? I tightened them to ensure everything was snug, and they did get tight, but seemed they could go some more and did not want to compress the rubber cushions on the limbs too much.

[MiddletonDTM375]

skg2004, on 11 February 2011 - 08:40 PM, said:

Just got my new DTM375 a few days ago. I have been swamped at work and have not shot it yet, but assembled it today. I got it from Jason at the Cherryville, NC store. Nice guy and great price for the whole package. I will shoot it this weekend and give a follow up. I cannot get over how light and simplistic this thing looks and feels. One question: how tight should the 4 little allen screws that comes out from the yoke onto the limbs be? I tightened them to ensure everything was snug, and they did get tight, but seemed they could go some more and did not want to compress the rubber cushions on the limbs too much.

Scot glad you got the bow.  The four allen screws on the yoke hold what I call limb straps they should be tight evenly until the rubber that is under them is compressed half its thickness.  Try to imagine when the limb is cocked the bottom side of the limb is moving one way and the top side the other.  Over tightening these will cause problems.  Remember to lock tight the scope mount, scope setup instructions are on the web site bottom left also middletoncrossbow1 on you tube has video on stinging aid and adjusting your cocking aid.  Good Luck

[skg2004]

Thanks Derrick, That is kinda of what I thought. After I put the front limb unit on the yoke and scope on the fixture, I just did a run thru of all the allen screws already assembled. I only snugged those screws up not even an 1/8 turn for fear of what you said, but was not sure. I will just back them off again. Thanks again and I will let you know my shooting experience. Sighting it in today on the Rhinoblock. I think I watched every video on the internet about your bows derrick!! They have been very helpful. Hopefully, I will be able to send you some kill shots over time also.

Edited by skg2004, 12 February 2011 - 09:04 AM.

[skg2004]

Well, I shot the DTM375 today. I have little experience with crossbows except my sons Barnett and several friend's that I have shot...which include a strykeforce, predator, and parker tornado(I think). I have not uploaded photos and hope this goes, but I had to show my 4th, 5th, and 6th shots from 30 yards, ranged with my range-finder off my trash can, used as a high tech rest! I took 3 shots at 10-12 yards to check the scope and then backed up. The results, "out of the box" are in the pic. Also, using a friend's chronograph, with the supplied Victory xbolt arrows and 100 gr head was averaging about 379-381 fps. I am impressed and will test various broad heads and some heavier arrows later.  target.JPG   757.46K   9 downloads

Edited by skg2004, 12 February 2011 - 06:03 PM.

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skg2004,

Thanks for the range report, this is a crossbow that intrigues me. You will quickly learn that with a solid rest you will want to shoot at different dots for each arrow, or it will get expensive.

I will be watching your posts closely, as I really want to learn more about these Middleton's. Pic's are always welcome!

[skg2004]

SCORPYDIZED, on 12 February 2011 - 07:47 PM, said:

skg2004,

Thanks for the range report, this is a crossbow that intrigues me. You will quickly learn that with a solid rest you will want to shoot at different dots for each arrow, or it will get expensive.

I will be watching your posts closely, as I really want to learn more about these Middleton's. Pic's are always welcome!

Thanks, Yes I ruined some of the arrows with the son's Jackal. This thing is fast. I like speed and simplicity. Love my higher speed compound as well and know that speed sometimes equals maintenance and headaches. I bought this bow blind because no where close had one to shoot. Scary to do, but after today, it was worth it. BTW dialed the scope i=on the 375 setting and it was dead on that quick. Nice scope as well.

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Please do tell more about the scope. That might be an option for tmy Scorpyd 165 at 425 FPS? That scope goes to 450 FPS, correct? What is the reticle like in the scope, and does it just use a power ring for the speed adjustment, as in higher power for higher speed? Thanks for any info.

[MiddletonDTM375]

SCORPYDIZED, on 12 February 2011 - 08:32 PM, said:

Please do tell more about the scope. That might be an option for tmy Scorpyd 165 at 425 FPS? That scope goes to 450 FPS, correct? What is the reticle like in the scope, and does it just use a power ring for the speed adjustment, as in higher power for higher speed? Thanks for any info.

Thanks for the update Scot nice to see you are at play already.

Scorpydized the scope will work on any bow up to 450fps has a speed dial, duplex with three hold over's.  Had a few guys that also figured on the first setup they could do 20/30/40/50 turn the dial low again and shoot 60/70/80.

Turning the dial down in speed opens the spread between your holdover's. Also many sight the duplex in the 375 @ 30 yards and do 40/50/60.

[skg2004]

MiddletonDTM375, on 12 February 2011 - 09:08 PM, said:

Thanks for the update Scot nice to see you are at play already.

Scorpydized the scope will work on any bow up to 450fps has a speed dial, duplex with three hold over's.  Had a few guys that also figured on the first setup they could do 20/30/40/50 turn the dial low again and shoot 60/70/80.

Turning the dial down in speed opens the spread between your holdover's. Also many sight the duplex in the 375 @ 30 yards and do 40/50/60.

That is exactly what I did derrick. After reading the scope manual, I wanted the duplex at 30. I did not have a chance today to fine tune it as well as I would have liked...as you can see I need a little left windage adjustment, but again that was just the 4,5,and 6 shots from a trash can off my knee! I might as well order more arrows Monday. BTW, I like the X bolts

Edited by skg2004, 12 February 2011 - 09:40 PM.

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Thanks for that information Derrick. As I understand it the top duplex stays at whatever range you sight it in for no matter what speed/power your scope is set on, and the hold overs would obviously change when the speed/power dial is turned. I need to get down to The Sportmans Shack and check them out.

Hey, you/they wouldn't by chance be going to any of our Michigan Outdoor Shows over the next couple weekends would you/they? The Deer and Turkey Spectacular in Lansing Feb 18-20, or the Outdoorama in Novi Feb 24-27? I really think the crossbow sales are going to BOOM this year, and over the next few years in Michigan. There are more bow hunters in Michigan, than any other state that I know of, and let's face it, us "Baby Boomers" are not getting any younger.

I really feel the market is RIPE, right now in Michigan, and any Crossbow Manufacturer that doesn't make their presence known right now, is really "missing the boat"! Once your presence is known, word of mouth will sell the bows, and more dealers will JUMP on board. From what I have read about your bows, they are simplistic and quality. Exactly what most of these aging archers are looking for. I will be at both of these shows, and I would sure like to meet some of the manufacturers, or at least see some of the bows.

The Michigan market is prime RIGHT NOW, with one full inclusion season under our belt, and no stories of the "Big Bad Wolf". I hope the manufacturers are ready to ride the wave, IMO it's gonna be a good one.


Skg2004,

Sorry for the hijack, got a little carried away. Now where did I put that surfboard?

[skg2004]

Not a problem Scorpydized. I think if he has the opportunity to get these bows out and more available in the States he should. One more thing, this thing weighs nothing. It is lighter than my X Force. I honestly think the more people had to shoot them and holds them, they would purchase one. So...if you are intrigued by one, you better not shoot it or it will cost ya! I really like the overall concept

[munch]

my wife has the 315 it's a very nice bow and i find it great to carry .the thing shots faster than advertised .i made a custom quiver mount for hers and one for brad ingold at ingold archery where i bought it .here is a pic looks good on the bow

[the dog]

skg2004, on 12 February 2011 - 05:56 PM, said:

Well, I shot the DTM375 today. I have little experience with crossbows except my sons Barnett and several friend's that I have shot...which include a strykeforce, predator, and parker tornado(I think). I have not uploaded photos and hope this goes, but I had to show my 4th, 5th, and 6th shots from 30 yards, ranged with my range-finder off my trash can, used as a high tech rest! I took 3 shots at 10-12 yards to check the scope and then backed up. The results, "out of the box" are in the pic. Also, using a friend's chronograph, with the supplied Victory xbolt arrows and 100 gr head was averaging about 379-381 fps. I am impressed and will test various broad heads and some heavier arrows later. target.JPG

good luck with the new bow, I have had my 355 for a couple of years now and I am very pleased with it.
get out of the habit of shooting bullseye's start shooting dots or it's gonna get expensive.

I shoot 2219's with slick tricks and they do a great job,

[skg2004]

the dog, on 15 February 2011 - 03:20 PM, said:

good luck with the new bow, I have had my 355 for a couple of years now and I am very pleased with it.
get out of the habit of shooting bullseye's start shooting dots or it's gonna get expensive.

I shoot 2219's with slick tricks and they do a great job,

I like it a lot. I ordered some more arrows today and I am anxious to take it turkey hunting. They really shoot nice.

[Lightfoot]

MiddletonDTM375, on 12 February 2011 - 06:38 AM, said:

Scot glad you got the bow.  The four allen screws on the yoke hold what I call limb straps they should be tight evenly until the rubber that is under them is compressed half its thickness.  Try to imagine when the limb is cocked the bottom side of the limb is moving one way and the top side the other.  Over tightening these will cause problems.  Remember to lock tight the scope mount, scope setup instructions are on the web site bottom left also middletoncrossbow1 on you tube has video on stinging aid and adjusting your cocking aid.  Good Luck

Derrick, after reading the post what comes to mind is to build in a limiter (just past halfway). This way, all one has to do is tighten down all screws until the rubber is over compressed and hits the stop. Then, like a carborator, simply back off the screws a quarter turn or half turn. This way there would be no guessing. Trying to guessimate would undoubtably end up with a larger discrepancy than nec. Having greater control over this in turn should allow more accurate groupings?.

I havent a Middleton bow yet so dont really know if this is applicable. It would also prevent possible damage by overompression of the rubber and help ensure all (four?) screws are equally adjusted and at the same height.

Edited by Lightfoot, 17 February 2011 - 03:17 PM.

[Lightfoot]

skg2004, on 12 February 2011 - 05:56 PM, said:

Well, I shot the DTM375 today. I have little experience with crossbows except my sons Barnett and several friend's that I have shot...which include a strykeforce, predator, and parker tornado(I think). I have not uploaded photos and hope this goes, but I had to show my 4th, 5th, and 6th shots from 30 yards, ranged with my range-finder off my trash can, used as a high tech rest! I took 3 shots at 10-12 yards to check the scope and then backed up. The results, "out of the box" are in the pic. Also, using a friend's chronograph, with the supplied Victory xbolt arrows and 100 gr head was averaging about 379-381 fps. I am impressed and will test various broad heads and some heavier arrows later. target.JPG

I am curious. HOw do you cock your bow? What device or cocker do you use?. Each arrow seems to have impacted differently and ended up at different angles in the target. This suggests to me that the arrow did not hit the target perfectly oriented (angle). They should all be the same?

[Lightfoot]

You should be able to get right at 465 with a 350 grain arrow....need a faster scope made.

SCORPYDIZED, on 12 February 2011 - 08:32 PM, said:

Please do tell more about the scope. That might be an option for tmy Scorpyd 165 at 425 FPS? That scope goes to 450 FPS, correct? What is the reticle like in the scope, and does it just use a power ring for the speed adjustment, as in higher power for higher speed? Thanks for any info.

[skg2004]

Lightfoot, on 17 February 2011 - 03:22 PM, said:

I am curious. HOw do you cock your bow? What device or cocker do you use?. Each arrow seems to have impacted differently and ended up at different angles in the target. This suggests to me that the arrow did not hit the target perfectly oriented (angle). They should all be the same?

I use the rope cocker provided. I kinda think that may have been some slippage or movement by me. That has been the only time that there was any fluctuation of arrow orientation difference, especially the last arrow, which was the bottom one. Really it was just the last one I shot, the other 2 are streamlined the same. I had some "herky jerkies" not expecting the power when I first shot it. I am going with some slightly heavier arrows as well. These ones are just a hair over 360 gr.

[Lightfoot]

skg2004, on 17 February 2011 - 04:45 PM, said:

I use the rope cocker provided. I kinda think that may have been some slippage or movement by me. That has been the only time that there was any fluctuation of arrow orientation difference, especially the last arrow, which was the bottom one. Really it was just the last one I shot, the other 2 are streamlined the same. I had some "herky jerkies" not expecting the power when I first shot it. I am going with some slightly heavier arrows as well. These ones are just a hair over 360 gr.

Thanks. After posting I looked at the pic again and it is as you say. I am doing a study on fletchings, so had to ask.

[skg2004]

Keep us updated on fletching design and all the variables with flight, speed, drop,... Sounds very interesting indeed BTW, those are the victory x bolts, 20", 4" fletch, flat nock