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[tracker1]

on the Real Tree Ultra Light String Stumpers, while at rest should they be set with the string touching or what?

[tryinhardarcher]

tracker1, on 25 June 2011 - 03:22 PM, said:

on the Real Tree Ultra Light String Stumpers, while at rest should they be set with the string touching or what?

I always set mine, so they are just a hair off the string. That has given me the best results on both crossbows, and verticals.
Matt

[BowDiddly]

Recently, I received my dad’s Horton Hunter crossbow, and no information came with it.  The solid synthetic stock and arms have a camo pattern and there is an aluminum rail or barrel. The stock has a thumb hole style grip. I have no idea about the weight or speed of this x-bow.

A sticker-type label is affixed on both sides of the rail’s back end. It says in large print, “HUNTER” followed by the Horton trademark, under this in smaller print is, “Horton Manufacturing Company Inc”.  

At the front-right side of the aluminum rail is another sticker-type label. The top of the label reads, ”Made in USA” and below, in larger print, is the following (serial?) number, “43362”.

I guess Horton’s online instruction manual labeled “operations_manual_pre_2000” would be the correct manual for this Hunter?

Dad might have purchased this  x-bow about the mid ‘80’s, but I’m not sure. He target practiced and hunted with this x-bow, but never gave it heavy use. It has spent most of its time inside its soft carrying case.  I would say the cables, pulleys and strings are all the originals. Given their presumed age, should they be replaced?

Which Hunter model applies to my x-bow on Horton’s online "2010 String and Cable Chart"?

Also, there were several aluminum Horton Easton Lightening Strike 2, flat nock, crossbow arrows with the x-bow. But, due to age, the vanes have split and fallen apart, and need re-fletched. Otherwise the arrows are fine.

The arrows have several bullet-style practice points, four and six-bladed broad heads. I understand that a fixed, three-bladed broadhead would be more desirable.  

I have read that using too light an arrow assembly will eventually damage the crossbow arms. What replacement arrow, broadhead, vanes, nock and total weight would be recommended for this Horton Hunter?

Sorry for all the questions, but I want to shoot safe! Thanks for any help you can give me.

[tryinhardarcher]

BowDiddly, on 09 July 2011 - 01:18 PM, said:

Recently, I received my dad’s Horton Hunter crossbow, and no information came with it.  The solid synthetic stock and arms have a camo pattern and there is an aluminum rail or barrel. The stock has a thumb hole style grip. I have no idea about the weight or speed of this x-bow.

A sticker-type label is affixed on both sides of the rail’s back end. It says in large print, “HUNTER” followed by the Horton trademark, under this in smaller print is, “Horton Manufacturing Company Inc”.  

At the front-right side of the aluminum rail is another sticker-type label. The top of the label reads, ”Made in USA” and below, in larger print, is the following (serial?) number, “43362”.

I guess Horton’s online instruction manual labeled “operations_manual_pre_2000” would be the correct manual for this Hunter?

Dad might have purchased this  x-bow about the mid ‘80’s, but I’m not sure. He target practiced and hunted with this x-bow, but never gave it heavy use. It has spent most of its time inside its soft carrying case.  I would say the cables, pulleys and strings are all the originals. Given their presumed age, should they be replaced?

Which Hunter model applies to my x-bow on Horton’s online "2010 String and Cable Chart"?

Also, there were several aluminum Horton Easton Lightening Strike 2, flat nock, crossbow arrows with the x-bow. But, due to age, the vanes have split and fallen apart, and need re-fletched. Otherwise the arrows are fine.

The arrows have several bullet-style practice points, four and six-bladed broad heads. I understand that a fixed, three-bladed broadhead would be more desirable.  

I have read that using too light an arrow assembly will eventually damage the crossbow arms. What replacement arrow, broadhead, vanes, nock and total weight would be recommended for this Horton Hunter?

Sorry for all the questions, but I want to shoot safe! Thanks for any help you can give me.

BowDiddly
    I just wanted to respond to you. I am walking out the door for work, but will be able to sit down in the morning, and help with all of your questions
Matt

[BowDiddly]

tryinhardarcher, on 11 July 2011 - 12:16 PM, said:

BowDiddly
    I just wanted to respond to you. I am walking out the door for work, but will be able to sit down in the morning, and help with all of your questions
Matt

Hi tryinhardarcher,

Thanks for your response.
Matt, any answers you can find will be a huge help!
I'm looking forward to your next post.
Bill

[tryinhardarcher]

BowDiddly, on 09 July 2011 - 01:18 PM, said:

Recently, I received my dad’s Horton Hunter crossbow, and no information came with it.  The solid synthetic stock and arms have a camo pattern and there is an aluminum rail or barrel. The stock has a thumb hole style grip. I have no idea about the weight or speed of this x-bow.

A sticker-type label is affixed on both sides of the rail’s back end. It says in large print, “HUNTER” followed by the Horton trademark, under this in smaller print is, “Horton Manufacturing Company Inc”.  

At the front-right side of the aluminum rail is another sticker-type label. The top of the label reads, ”Made in USA” and below, in larger print, is the following (serial?) number, “43362”.

I guess Horton’s online instruction manual labeled “operations_manual_pre_2000” would be the correct manual for this Hunter?

Dad might have purchased this  x-bow about the mid ‘80’s, but I’m not sure. He target practiced and hunted with this x-bow, but never gave it heavy use. It has spent most of its time inside its soft carrying case.  I would say the cables, pulleys and strings are all the originals. Given their presumed age, should they be replaced?

Which Hunter model applies to my x-bow on Horton’s online "2010 String and Cable Chart"?

Also, there were several aluminum Horton Easton Lightening Strike 2, flat nock, crossbow arrows with the x-bow. But, due to age, the vanes have split and fallen apart, and need re-fletched. Otherwise the arrows are fine.

The arrows have several bullet-style practice points, four and six-bladed broad heads. I understand that a fixed, three-bladed broadhead would be more desirable.  

I have read that using too light an arrow assembly will eventually damage the crossbow arms. What replacement arrow, broadhead, vanes, nock and total weight would be recommended for this Horton Hunter?

Sorry for all the questions, but I want to shoot safe! Thanks for any help you can give me.

  BowDiddly
   Im sorry for the delay in getting back with you, work has been crazy this week. As far as what model you have, im not sure. Your description describes a few different models, and they are all from before I was with the company. So rather than guess im going to suggest you call the factory 1-330-474-5710 if you give them all the info you listed on the bow, they will be able to give you a definate answer. Both as to what model, and what string and cabels you need, because I would definatly say to replace them before shooting the bow. Your arrows will be fine, but change the nocks out to moon nocks and re-fletch with you favorite vanes. I would suggest either AAE Max Hunters if you want to go with short high profile, or NAP Quick Spins if you prefer a 3 or 4 inch vane. As far as broadheads go, its all personal choice. Any of them will work, most people shoot either a fixed three blade or a expandable. However if you like what you have, they are sharp and straight go with them. Just be sure to shoot what ever you decide to use before season, to be sure of where they hit. Some times you will have to adjust your sights sometimes you wont. Good luck with your dads bow, and dont hesitate to contact myself or the factory if you have any more questions.
Matt

[BowDiddly]

tryinhardarcher, on 14 July 2011 - 11:45 AM, said:

BowDiddly
   Im sorry for the delay in getting back with you, work has been crazy this week. As far as what model you have, im not sure. Your description describes a few different models, and they are all from before I was with the company. So rather than guess im going to suggest you call the factory 1-330-474-5710 if you give them all the info you listed on the bow, they will be able to give you a definate answer. Both as to what model, and what string and cabels you need, because I would definatly say to replace them before shooting the bow. Your arrows will be fine, but change the nocks out to moon nocks and re-fletch with you favorite vanes. I would suggest either AAE Max Hunters if you want to go with short high profile, or NAP Quick Spins if you prefer a 3 or 4 inch vane. As far as broadheads go, its all personal choice. Any of them will work, most people shoot either a fixed three blade or a expandable. However if you like what you have, they are sharp and straight go with them. Just be sure to shoot what ever you decide to use before season, to be sure of where they hit. Some times you will have to adjust your sights sometimes you wont. Good luck with your dads bow, and dont hesitate to contact myself or the factory if you have any more questions.
Matt

Tryinhardarcher,

Hey, no apologies needed about work, after all a man has to earn a living. Besides, crazy is better than the alterative (no work) - especially in this economy. I'll take your advice and contact the factory and see what they can tell me about the bow, and replacing the string & cables.

I'll also look for the vanes you have suggested. I have ten arrows that need refletching, so maybe I can try both. I'll have to watch the high profile. Roughly, the clearance between the arrow shaft and the bottom of the rail slot looks about 17/32", possibly 9/16".

I would like to switch to moon nocks. It will be interesting with the old Horton Easton LS2 arrows. Of course the head of the shaft has a threaded insert to accept a point or broadhead, but I'm not certain if the tail's the same or if the flat nock is permanently affixed. I'll check with the factory on that too, before I try ruining a shaft.

The broadheads all appear to be in fine shape. One storage case is labelled "Razorback 5" and the 5-blade section spins freely around the point's shaft. I'll try these against the unknown fixed 4-bladed heads to see what flys best. If either does well, I'll use them until the piggy bank fills up again and then try a fixed 3-blade.

Matt, you have been a great help and I really appreciate the time you took to help me out. If the factory is able to give me more details, I'll post them back in this thread. Thanks again, Bill!

[Branchboy]

I've called to talked to 3 different representatives at Horton and non can find my crossbow info. I've been told mine is an older Legend 150HD and 2 other shops are telling me it's the 175HD. Bought it 4yrs ago now. The serial# G47996 keeps getting skipped in the system when they run it. Can the Horton Rep here help me out. What I'm really trying to find out is also the recommended bolt weight for hunting, don't want to go to light and cause a potential dryfire. I've shot both tips out before without any problems, but don't want to ruin bow also. With 100gr my combo is 400, and 425 with the 125gr heads. Hopefully you can help me out.It does say 150HD right above the trigger, but they said that was something different. Please say you can give me a little info on it. Planning on selling this spring so want to give the buyer some correct info also. I would think that the Horton customer service could've helped me with it, but I guess not.  Thanks,  Mike

[tryinhardarcher]

Branchboy, on 08 August 2011 - 09:46 AM, said:

I've called to talked to 3 different representatives at Horton and non can find my crossbow info. I've been told mine is an older Legend 150HD and 2 other shops are telling me it's the 175HD. Bought it 4yrs ago now. The serial# G47996 keeps getting skipped in the system when they run it. Can the Horton Rep here help me out. What I'm really trying to find out is also the recommended bolt weight for hunting, don't want to go to light and cause a potential dryfire. I've shot both tips out before without any problems, but don't want to ruin bow also. With 100gr my combo is 400, and 425 with the 125gr heads. Hopefully you can help me out.It does say 150HD right above the trigger, but they said that was something different. Please say you can give me a little info on it. Planning on selling this spring so want to give the buyer some correct info also. I would think that the Horton customer service could've helped me with it, but I guess not.  Thanks,  Mike

  Mike
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. As to exactly what model you have I cant help you. However I will tell you that weather its a 150 or a 175 you are perfectly fine with either arrow setup you spoke of. I would try calling back ot the factory again, it sounds like the computers were just a little off the day you called. They should be able to figure out exactly what you have.
Matt

[Branchboy]

Thanks tryin!!!!!!

[Sirwankel]

I have my father's Yukon SL and would like to get some information on it. The sun is W32201 I wanted to use it this year but noticed that there are some hairline cracks in the limbs. Wondering if I would be able to get the limbs replaced and how old it is. It's in good shape besides the cracks

[tryinhardarcher]

Sirwankel, on 18 August 2011 - 07:19 PM, said:

I have my father's Yukon SL and would like to get some information on it. The sun is W32201 I wanted to use it this year but noticed that there are some hairline cracks in the limbs. Wondering if I would be able to get the limbs replaced and how old it is. It's in good shape besides the cracks

Your best bet is to call the factory. I dont have access to the data base from my house, but they will be able to give you all the information on your bow. The number is 1-330-474-5710. The Yukon's were great bows, and with a little work this one should serve you well.
Matt

[razorramon]

I have a Horton trt ultra light what broadhead and what grain broadhead do you recommend Ive been trying muzzy 125's and muzzy 100's. They fly okay but i get one that goes wildly wrong every now and then. What's out there thats better?

[tryinhardarcher]

razorramon, on 23 August 2011 - 02:02 PM, said:

I have a Horton trt ultra light what broadhead and what grain broadhead do you recommend Ive been trying muzzy 125's and muzzy 100's. They fly okay but i get one that goes wildly wrong every now and then. What's out there thats better?

Any quality broadhead will work, and Muzzy's definatly fall into the quality category. I have a coyote at the taxidermist now that had a bad day when a 100 grain mx-3 found its mark. The biggest thing is to spin every head before you shoot it, if it has even the slightest wobel you need to fix it. I shoot 100 grain heads in all of my bows, but I also have brass inserts in my arrows. Honestly you really wont see much of a difference between the two, its more of a mental thing. I have had good results with tons of different heads, and every once in a while I get a wild hair to shoot something different. This season I will be starting out with 100 grain NAP Spitfires. They fly great and leave awsome blood trails, but thats not to say I wont get one of my silly ideas and just want to see something else hanging of the end of my Vision before the season is over. I am my own worst nightmare.
Matt

[SouthernWV]

Stopped by a pro shop today and checked out the Vision. Really liked the size and lack of noise when firing. My big question is when will the crank cocker start shipping? Dealer told me a couple more weeks but wanted to get it answered by someone from Horton. I probably could wait, but never shooting a crossbow before......I would like to get a good feel for it before season opens.

When will the crank cocker start shipping?

[tryinhardarcher]

SouthernWV, on 24 August 2011 - 04:26 PM, said:

Stopped by a pro shop today and checked out the Vision. Really liked the size and lack of noise when firing. My big question is when will the crank cocker start shipping? Dealer told me a couple more weeks but wanted to get it answered by someone from Horton. I probably could wait, but never shooting a crossbow before......I would like to get a good feel for it before season opens.

When will the crank cocker start shipping?

I have herd second hand, that they have started to ship. I will make a phone call in the morning, and try to get everyone some more exact information.
Matt

[superrad67]

Urban Legend, on 26 March 2008 - 01:31 PM, said:

We are very lucky and thankful to be able to offer our members a direct link to a Horton company representative. Please keep all post topics related to Horton crossbows.

I was told today that I wasnt getting my vision back untill sometime next week, you have had it twice in the last 2 weeks and im still haveing problems, now im going to miss the first few days of the season and im not happy, I said why dont you just send me another bow, well that got a laugh.
you can email me at superrad67@yahoo.com  for more details.

[GrizzWolf]

Hey Matt, I have a brand new, unfired Vision that I had to send back in two weeks ago because right out of the box there were two dents in the right-hand cam... I would have just lived with them but one looked like it might be able to cut into the string... obviously something happened to this cam at the factory before shipping as there were no dents in the box and nothing out of place when I opened the box. This is the third Vision I have bought and I love the bow and I have been a loyal Horton customer for 35 years. However, this is the second out of those three new Visions that I have had to send in to the factory for issues not of my own causing. After reading superrad67's story above and many other ones I am wondering WHY Horton isn't being more polite and sensitive to good customers who lay out between $600.00 and $900.00 for their Horton Vision bows?? I mean seriously, if you have followed this bow from it's entry into the market you know, honestly, that it has had some issues and there have been some growing pains for both the company and the consumer with this bow. I am pained to see someone else being treated callously or even rudely when they have an issue with this bow. For many of us spending over $500.00 on an xbow is a HUGE expebditure, and then, to have it puke on you a week or two before opening day is a HORRIBLE experience... especially if you have no backup bow... been there, done that myself, with Horton products... it would seem to me that at the very least, if someone is willing to take a chance with this bow Horton would be POLITE about any issues AND they would OWN those problems. Always, in the DECADES past, if I had an issue with ANY of my Horton bows the women at customer service were VERY POLITE and they ALWAYS had my bow picked up at no charge to me and repaired. THIS TIME I had to ARGUE with a "fellow" at customer service to have the bow picked up. He wanted ME to pay to insure and ship it to Horton. It is a BRAND NEW, UNFIRED BOW RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX... WITH DAMAGE... why in the WORLD should I pay $25.00 or $30.00 to ship it in for repair? Then he gave me crap for buying it from an Internet sporting goods dealer and not directly from Horton, insinuating that it might have somehow been opened at the dealer, damaged and then repackaged. I told him I'm not a moron and #1, I'm not gonna pay $300.00 more for the same bow by purchasing it directly from Horton, AND, #2, the box was VERY OBVIOUSLY not pre-opened, if it had been I would have not accepted delivery from UPS. I mean what was his point, that if customers buy a Horton product "nowadays" from anyone other than Horton direct that Horton won't STAND BY THEIR PRODUCT?? And WTH? This is 2011... EVERYBODY BUYS EVERYTHING ONLINE... why do I need some "employee" of Horton HASSLING ME because I used the internet to get a good price on MY FOURTH NEW HORTON BOW IN 3 YEARS??? Anyway, after making my case and reminding this fellow that I have been buying and RECOMMENDING Horton bows for 35 plus years and have NEVER paid to send one in for factory defects he finally, SNIDELY agreed to have it picked up. You know, I understand, from talking to the gals at Horton customer service in the past that there are SOME folks who will try to scam Horton into free repairs on bows the customer has damaged or abused. But to cop the attitude that you are going to paint ALL Horton customers with that same broad brush is... SAD and misguided. Anyway, sorry this has gotten longer than I intended but I am pretty much down to this: if I have one more incident wherein a Horton customer service person is less than polite with me... I will buy a Scorpyd and sell off all my Horton bows and never buy another. It's ridiculous... as I said, I have bought and recommened Horton bows for DECADES, I have been responsible for HUNDREDS of fellow club members and hunters buying Horton bows on my recommendation... and, I have stood by, AND SUPPORTED Horton thru their reorganization process, purchasing FOUR HORTON BOWS for my own use and gifts in the last 3 years (3 Visions, one Legacy 225). To be treated disrespectfully NOW, and to read where other customers are being treated that way, is extremely disconcerting. I would REALLY appreciate your insight regarding these issues and maybe you can pass these concerns "up the food chain" to someone who actually gives a darn at Horton. After all, the MAIN reason I have stuck with Horton all these years and the main reason I would tell my cohorts to go with Horton was BECAUSE OF THEIR STELLAR CUSTOMER SERVICE... if Horton's "reorganization" means an end to THAT... if Horton's new attitude is that customers come SECOND to profits... well, I can't even BEGIN to explain all the schizophrenic FLAWS in that logic, and, quite frankly, all my incentive to stick with Horton will be gone, because... if I WANT to be treated like poop... I can go to any other bowmaker out there and get that.

[tryinhardarcher]

GrizzWolf, on 21 September 2011 - 09:30 AM, said:

Hey Matt, I have a brand new, unfired Vision that I had to send back in two weeks ago because right out of the box there were two dents in the right-hand cam... I would have just lived with them but one looked like it might be able to cut into the string... obviously something happened to this cam at the factory before shipping as there were no dents in the box and nothing out of place when I opened the box. This is the third Vision I have bought and I love the bow and I have been a loyal Horton customer for 35 years. However, this is the second out of those three new Visions that I have had to send in to the factory for issues not of my own causing. After reading superrad67's story above and many other ones I am wondering WHY Horton isn't being more polite and sensitive to good customers who lay out between $600.00 and $900.00 for their Horton Vision bows?? I mean seriously, if you have followed this bow from it's entry into the market you know, honestly, that it has had some issues and there have been some growing pains for both the company and the consumer with this bow. I am pained to see someone else being treated callously or even rudely when they have an issue with this bow. For many of us spending over $500.00 on an xbow is a HUGE expebditure, and then, to have it puke on you a week or two before opening day is a HORRIBLE experience... especially if you have no backup bow... been there, done that myself, with Horton products... it would seem to me that at the very least, if someone is willing to take a chance with this bow Horton would be POLITE about any issues AND they would OWN those problems. Always, in the DECADES past, if I had an issue with ANY of my Horton bows the women at customer service were VERY POLITE and they ALWAYS had my bow picked up at no charge to me and repaired. THIS TIME I had to ARGUE with a "fellow" at customer service to have the bow picked up. He wanted ME to pay to insure and ship it to Horton. It is a BRAND NEW, UNFIRED BOW RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX... WITH DAMAGE... why in the WORLD should I pay $25.00 or $30.00 to ship it in for repair? Then he gave me crap for buying it from an Internet sporting goods dealer and not directly from Horton, insinuating that it might have somehow been opened at the dealer, damaged and then repackaged. I told him I'm not a moron and #1, I'm not gonna pay $300.00 more for the same bow by purchasing it directly from Horton, AND, #2, the box was VERY OBVIOUSLY not pre-opened, if it had been I would have not accepted delivery from UPS. I mean what was his point, that if customers buy a Horton product "nowadays" from anyone other than Horton direct that Horton won't STAND BY THEIR PRODUCT?? And WTH? This is 2011... EVERYBODY BUYS EVERYTHING ONLINE... why do I need some "employee" of Horton HASSLING ME because I used the internet to get a good price on MY FOURTH NEW HORTON BOW IN 3 YEARS??? Anyway, after making my case and reminding this fellow that I have been buying and RECOMMENDING Horton bows for 35 plus years and have NEVER paid to send one in for factory defects he finally, SNIDELY agreed to have it picked up. You know, I understand, from talking to the gals at Horton customer service in the past that there are SOME folks who will try to scam Horton into free repairs on bows the customer has damaged or abused. But to cop the attitude that you are going to paint ALL Horton customers with that same broad brush is... SAD and misguided. Anyway, sorry this has gotten longer than I intended but I am pretty much down to this: if I have one more incident wherein a Horton customer service person is less than polite with me... I will buy a Scorpyd and sell off all my Horton bows and never buy another. It's ridiculous... as I said, I have bought and recommened Horton bows for DECADES, I have been responsible for HUNDREDS of fellow club members and hunters buying Horton bows on my recommendation... and, I have stood by, AND SUPPORTED Horton thru their reorganization process, purchasing FOUR HORTON BOWS for my own use and gifts in the last 3 years (3 Visions, one Legacy 225). To be treated disrespectfully NOW, and to read where other customers are being treated that way, is extremely disconcerting. I would REALLY appreciate your insight regarding these issues and maybe you can pass these concerns "up the food chain" to someone who actually gives a darn at Horton. After all, the MAIN reason I have stuck with Horton all these years and the main reason I would tell my cohorts to go with Horton was BECAUSE OF THEIR STELLAR CUSTOMER SERVICE... if Horton's "reorganization" means an end to THAT... if Horton's new attitude is that customers come SECOND to profits... well, I can't even BEGIN to explain all the schizophrenic FLAWS in that logic, and, quite frankly, all my incentive to stick with Horton will be gone, because... if I WANT to be treated like poop... I can go to any other bowmaker out there and get that.

I am sorry to hear you were treated that way, and I will follow up with getting it resolved. It doesnt matter weather you spent 20 dollars or 20 thousand with the company in the past, a customer is a customer and deserves the utmost respect. I would like to thank you for both your continued support over the years and for bringing this to my attention. Trust me Horton has in the past and will in the future always put their customers first. I cant change how you were treated but I wil do everything in my power to make sure it never hapens again, if that means calling Greg Ritz himself.
Matt

[GrizzWolf]

Hey Matt, thanks a TON for your kind words. I just want to make sure that everyone understands two things: I LOVE my Horton bows, always have, always will. Before I bought my first Horton I had ALL KINDS of trouble with my rather primitive (at the time) Barnetts. Since I have massive bone trauma / arthritis in my chest (drunk driver smashed into me at over 70 mph) I can't pull a compound bow back anymore. Horton bows gave me back my success in the field by offering a more technologically advanced and ACCURATE crossbow. I couldn't get NEAR the accuracy with the competitor's bows back then. Secondly, for many many YEARS Horton has proven over and over again to me how completely AWESOME their customer service is. I have ALWAYS had the BEST possible experience with them. In specific I would like to say that Anna, Lee and Justin have been GREAT. They are always polite, patient, knowledgeable and helpful. So... I just wanted to make that clear. One more thing: Matt, can you possibly find out when I will have my bow back in my hands? I would REALLY appreciate it as opening day here in Indiana is next week. Thanks for all your help!!!