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[xbowlover]

Hi everyone,

I saw this interesting article in the current news about police having a stand off with a man armed with a crossbow.

Article Site: http://www.bbc.co.uk...ngland-15482861

Now the most interesting thing that I found out about this was that the Man with the crossbow was shot and killed while coking his crossbow. Now to me this doesn't make sense because if I see the police coming, first thing ill do is not be anywhere close a weapon of any kind and second everyone knows that it takes way longer to load a crossbow then for an officer to load up his gun and shoot you. I just believe that the man made a wrong decision that cost him his life. Also this makes us crossbow hunters look bad because crossbows are meant to hunt animals not to harm people. Well just thought it was something that I could share with you guys.

[Old Longhair]

Moral = Don't take a bow to a gunfight.

[SPECIALIZED]

xbowlover, on 28 October 2011 - 06:21 PM, said:

Hi everyone,

I saw this interesting article in the current news about police having a stand off with a man armed with a crossbow.

Article Site: http://www.bbc.co.uk...ngland-15482861

Now the most interesting thing that I found out about this was that the Man with the crossbow was shot and killed while coking his crossbow. Now to me this doesn't make sense because if I see the police coming, first thing ill do is not be anywhere close a weapon of any kind and second everyone knows that it takes way longer to load a crossbow then for an officer to load up his gun and shoot you. I just believe that the man made a wrong decision that cost him his life. Also this makes us crossbow hunters look bad because crossbows are meant to hunt animals not to harm people. Well just thought it was something that I could share with you guys.

Just maybe suicide by cop.

[xbowlover]

To:Old Longhair- lol your so right..

To: SPECIALIZED- I also agree with you as well. The cop could of have easily shot him on the foot or arm or rushed him before he finished cocking his crossbow, but either way the police will shoot to kill and not hesitate at that. Ive seen to many sad stories on that subject. But back to the topic on hand you I agree with you as well.

[wampus]

The cops might not have any real knowledge of crossbows and how they're cocked and loaded.  Maybe to them he just looked like he was doing something that looked menacing without really knowing how long it would take him to be ready to fire.

[xbowlover]

wampus, on 31 October 2011 - 08:05 PM, said:

The cops might not have any real knowledge of crossbows and how they're cocked and loaded.  Maybe to them he just looked like he was doing something that looked menacing without really knowing how long it would take him to be ready to fire.

Yes you are correct but within the point that the gentle men was not following the commands of the officer they could of shot him with a taser gun or shot him on his leg making him defenseless. I guess my point is even if a criminal had a knife and the officer had a gun, he will still aim to kill. But thats of the topic. In the long run the victim should of had not had a crossbow or a weapon in his possession.

[hunterfisher]

I'll have to agree with, Specialized on this one. Suicide by cop is all to common. And it's so senseless. And the officer has to deal with it the rest of his life. A cowards way out in my book.

[Aimo]

I agree with you guys..And i wanna add this guy is not BAD GUY !!! We all know what the real bad people carry !! Connot say more!! I have enough trouble !!!

[Inhimwelive]

Man he should have stuck with the guitar!

[DocR]

I feel sorry for the law officer that had to drop him, but when your life or others is on the line then you have to do it.

[LoveLabs]

DocR, on 15 April 2012 - 01:04 AM, said:

I feel sorry for the law officer that had to drop him, but when your life or others is on the line then you have to do it.

Agreed.  A few officers never recover emotionally.  Most do recover emotionally after counseling -- which many police departments now make mandatory including several days off and away from press and police (both) after the incident.  Then when they officer comes back, his first day is spent writing up the incident report with coaching from a detective (and hopefully the officer's union attorney) to make sure statements are worded properly.

Officers report that immediately after the shooting, they forget incredibly important details and steps involved leading up to the shooting.  They also report -- and swear -- that they recall things that simply did not happen -- including the presence of people who were not there -- as checked against other witnesses and cameras running at the time.

A shooting is incredibly traumatic in emotional turmoil and physical toll whether the officer recognizes it or not.  And they usually DO NOT recognize it until much later when their mind is able to finally cope with what happened and allows them to "see" the event in the true light as it really occurred.  Then the officer is sometimes stunned at what his mind relayed to him immediately after the incident as opposed to a week or two later!

Edited by LoveLabs, 15 April 2012 - 03:18 PM.

[thickice]

xbowlover, on 01 November 2011 - 05:14 PM, said:

Yes you are correct but within the point that the gentle men was not following the commands of the officer they could of shot him with a taser gun or shot him on his leg making him defenseless. I guess my point is even if a criminal had a knife and the officer had a gun, he will still aim to kill. But thats of the topic. In the long run the victim should of had not had a crossbow or a weapon in his possession.

Police officers aren't trained to "aim to kill" rather to shoot to center mass to neutralize the threat.  A leg is a small target and easy to miss, and he has to account for every round fired.  Tasers are less than lethal weapons and not used against people who threatening others with deadly force.

[Bob from MontCo]

This sounds like a classic case of "Suicide by Cop."

[Guide Girl]

Yes, if they were allowed to have guns in the UK, they wouldn't have to do this with the SPORTING GOODS they are allowed to have. I agree, it was suicide by cop. There's not much hunting there either. Scotland is about as close as they get but you have to have deep pockets. Hunting is for the rich. Guns are illegal.

FYI, when you travel abroad with guns, you have to register them and get a permit issued, but bows of any sort are considered Sporting goods so no need for a firearms permit. Some airports do not let you pass thru them if you have a gun on board, even if it's for a layover.

Isn't it great to be an American hunter/gun owner, even though we have issues within the political arena pertaining to guns?