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[Moon]

I know this crossbow is going to be sweet:-) It's an improved version of the Vision 175. Just from holding/ handling it at the show, the stock just feels better than the Fury. They weigh the same (within a few oz.)The Fury's stock has the same configuration as the Bone Collector crossbow. The Havoc is advertised to shoot 325 fps (sweet spot )and is equipped with auto safety and anti dry fire system. The Vision 175 was one of the smoothest shooting crossbows I had ever shot and now its successor should be even better and to place it even higher on the "gotta have it" list is the $699 price ($100 less than last years V 175)!! Put me down for one

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Edited by Moon, 13 January 2012 - 12:14 PM.

[Lightfoot]

Moon, on 13 January 2012 - 12:13 PM, said:

I know this crossbow is going to be sweet:-) It's an improved version of the Vision 175. Just from holding/ handling it at the show, the stock just feels better than the Fury. They weigh the same (within a few oz.)The Fury's stock has the same configuration as the Bone Collector crossbow. The Havoc is advertised to shoot 325 fps (sweet spot )and is equipped with auto safety and anti dry fire system. The Vision 175 was one of the smoothest shooting crossbows I had ever shot and now its successor should be even better and to place it even higher on the "gotta have it" list is the $699 price ($100 less than last years V 175)!! Put me down for one

Is there any cam lean?

the auto safety, ADF, and pricing make it a winner. I'd still like to see it a little faster but thats just a Lightfoot thang...

[copperjohn]

Good lookin bow....thanks for the updates

[Moon]

LF, I did not pay any attention to cam lean but I would expect some with these very short Axle to axle inverted/inboard cam bows.

One thing I forgot to mention about the Havoc is that both the Havoc and Fury use a spring loaded ball to hold the arrow down on the deck instead of the metal or plastic arrow retention spring. it should help reduce noise a bit. having very limited time at the show, I forgot to take a photo of that feature.

[Mike]

Cam lean has nothing to do with the distance of the axle to axle dimension or being an inverted pull. Could be 2" could be 2'...no matter.

It has to to with the diameter of the cam the last place the string contacts the cam, the axle size, the stability of the limb tips (in relation to its mate) the load on the string and the basic design of the cam itself.
All leading to "bending moment".
They are pretty large cams...!

Both are interesting bows.  I'm thinking seriously about the Fury.

Mike

[Urban Legend]

I disagree.  The cam lean is coming from the cables being pulled down lower than the position they want to be naturally to fit through the rail and get them out of the way.  The shorter the distance between the axles, the steeper the angle.   A wider axle to axle would have less angle because it is spread out over a longer distance.  On most regular compound bow systems, the cables split to form a yoke which is attached to the outside of the axles.  This allows you to twist one more than the other to adjust for the cam lean.  On a reverse draw bow, the cables do not have a yoke system because they do not attach to the axles.  This is why reverse draw bows, combined with oversize cams and short axle to axle dimensions, do have cam lean.

[Moon]

UL.......thank you:-)I stand by my statement.

[mrmojorisan]

excuse my ignorance, but what exactly is cam lean and what effect does it have?

[Jetster]

Anyone know if these are package only like the Vision,or can ya buy the bare bow/bows????????????

[1qwicsvt]

I'm pretty sure that the Havoc will be available as a package only.  The Fury will be available by itself with only the needed RDT cocking sled.

[Urban Legend]

mrmojorisan, on 17 January 2012 - 01:14 PM, said:

excuse my ignorance, but what exactly is cam lean and what effect does it have?

Cam lean is when the cams of the bow are not parallel to the rail due to the cables being pulled below the rail as a result of getting them out of the way.  The shorter the axle to axle, the more potential for cam lean.  With most traditional bows, you can adjust the cam lean by twist one side of the yoke on the cable.  With reverse draw, you do not have that option.

[Arrowhead]

The string tracks in the cams were very wide and deep. I suspect Horton had some issue with cam lean and made the string tracks larger/deeper.

[mrmojorisan]

So how does cam lean effect the shot?  Does it make the group inconsistant?  Or is it bad for the XB?