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[Deerhunter34]

Have any of you used your Parker bolts with capture nocks on a different brand of crossbow?  Do they work fine in place of moon nocks on the other brands?  Just curious because I have a new Carbon Express Covert 3.3 coming in tomorrow that I want to try with my Red Hot bolts.

Edited by Deerhunter34, 15 January 2012 - 01:06 PM.

[briarpatch]

just saw a similar question on AT...when you load one...make certain that the arrow can sit flush against the string...the capture nocks are fairly deep

[bigrnyrs]

Yes, in fact most bows will accept the capture nock. We certainly believe that the capture nock is the best thing you can use. Would you shoot a compound with a flat or moon nock? It will prevent partial dry fires that are the cause of a large portion of bow "failures". Cross bow technology has come a long way in 10 years. Axle to axle lengths have shrunk, performance have jumped but the arrow nock technology for the cross bow never changed. The original reason cross bow nock were flat any way because they never had any nocks so they used another insert! Yes the capture nock is a good idea on any cross bow.

[Deerhunter34]

Thanks for the quick replies.  I'll let you know how it works out as soon as the weather permits!

[FuzzyFultz]

bigrnyrs, on 15 January 2012 - 09:24 PM, said:

Yes, in fact most bows will accept the capture nock. We certainly believe that the capture nock is the best thing you can use. Would you shoot a compound with a flat or moon nock? It will prevent partial dry fires that are the cause of a large portion of bow "failures". Cross bow technology has come a long way in 10 years. Axle to axle lengths have shrunk, performance have jumped but the arrow nock technology for the cross bow never changed. The original reason cross bow nock were flat any way because they never had any nocks so they used another insert! Yes the capture nock is a good idea on any cross bow.

I would like to see capture nocks made to fit other arrow shafts. For instance Easton 2219 aluminum shafts. These nocks are a great improvement over the traditional moon nocks. I can not understand why Carbon Express has not already done this, just money in the bank I would think. I suppose Carbon Express has the patent on this nock and maybe they see that this helps sell their shaft over the others.

In my opinion Carbon Express does make a very good shaft. I can remember the first time I found out about carbon arrows. Carbon Express had the first affordable carbon shaft for those of us whom are not that wealthy. The dealers here in my part of the woods really pushed them and had some real good deals on them. The dealers here still carry all the Carbon Express shafts and some do not even mention the other brands. I tried some Easton Epics in my Mathews and they shot very well. But I can not say much for their durability. I had six of those,only four left now after a trip to Ohio. Two deer shot and both shafts snapped off after entry. I have about two dozen of the Carbon Express. I have shot several/many deer and turkey with these and have lost only one or two.

So I like the shafts and probably will not use any other shaft anyhow, except maybe trying some 2219. I did make myself a de-cocking arrow from a 2219, I filled the arrow with play sand and used the capture nock. I wrapped the capture nock a few times with paper painters tape to make up the few thousands difference in the nock shank, worked OK for a de-cocking arrow.

So if Parker can influence Carbon Express to make the capture nock more useful for other shafts, I think it would be a helpful tool to both companies. I believe a lot of companies make good shafts and some people want to use the same brand they have confidence in, and use that brand in all their arrow slinging stick and strings.

Some people thinks it is a disadvantage for the Parker brand crossbow, and kindly think it is insulting to them that they can not use another brand or type of arrow. Especially an American made brand of shaft. Then Parker can still recommend the capture nock and  those who prefer another shaft brand can still do so, as long it is in the weight recommended category (20 " 300 grain arrow).

Edited by FuzzyFultz, 06 March 2012 - 08:50 PM.

[bigrnyrs]

FuzzyFults, I wish it was as simple as just making it available. There are others things at work, however we believe they should all have the capture nock. It is our hope that all manufacturers understand the usefulness of the capture nock. FOr now we offer the Parker Hunter arrow that represents a good value, and the Red Hot arrow that is a premium arrow for superb down range accuracy.

[XBOWMAN]

Why can't a standard Arrow Nock work?  Basically that is what a capture nock is.  Only it does not clip on the string.

Edited by PHS1990, 17 January 2012 - 06:40 PM.

[FuzzyFultz]

PHS1990, on 16 January 2012 - 04:42 PM, said:

Why can't a standard Arrow Nock work?  Basically that is what a capture nock is.  Only it does not clip on the string.

If your talking about a standard vertical bow arrow nock. Those nocks are not designed to take the sudden crossbow power (150 - 165-175 - 200 lb)  that is put to the nock in such a short spand. They are designed for a vert bow 40 lb to maybe even 90 or 100 lb of peak weight. Then the travel of the arrow and the energy is stretched across a longer spain of contact from string and arrow.

Now if you are talking about a standard crossbow nock. Then yes some will work, and I have used the moon nocks. Not the Easton or the Horton brand that has the slit in the middle of the nock to adjust, these will split out and are not recommended by Parker. I used a solid moon nock and watched each and every time I loaded my bow with these nocks (very carefully). The capture nocks just plain work better. That is in my opinion.

Edited by FuzzyFultz, 17 January 2012 - 07:33 PM.

[XBOWMAN]

FuzzyFultz, on 17 January 2012 - 07:32 PM, said:

If your talking about a standard vertical bow arrow nock. Those nocks are not designed to take the sudden crossbow power (150 - 165-175 - 200 lb)  that is put to the nock in such a short spand. They are designed for a vert bow 40 lb to maybe even 90 or 100 lb of peak weight. Then the travel of the arrow and the energy is stretched across a longer spain of contact from string and arrow.

Now if you are talking about a standard crossbow nock. Then yes some will work, and I have used the moon nocks. Not the Easton or the Horton brand that has the slit in the middle of the nock to adjust, these will split out and are not recommended by Parker. I used a solid moon nock and watched each and every time I loaded my bow with these nocks (very carefully). The capture nocks just plain work better. That is in my opinion.

Hi FuzzyFultz,
Yes, I was talking about a standard vertical bow arrow nock. Seems like there is nothing wrong with that design.  Perhaps you would have to make it a little more robust for crossbows.  If the problem with dry fires are that the arrow jumps off the string or track during release, then what better way to keep it in place than with a nock that clicks into position like the vertical bow nock does.  Also this would eliminate the need for that finger thing which holds the arrow down or in place currently.

[FuzzyFultz]

PHS1990, on 17 January 2012 - 09:42 PM, said:

Hi FuzzyFultz,
Yes, I was talking about a standard vertical bow arrow nock. Seems like there is nothing wrong with that design.  Perhaps you would have to make it a little more robust for crossbows.  If the problem with dry fires are that the arrow jumps off the string or track during release, then what better way to keep it in place than with a nock that clicks into position like the vertical bow nock does.  Also this would eliminate the need for that finger thing which holds the arrow down or in place currently.

Well that may be possible, but still you must think of all that power on a short stroke. I would say that the arrow retainer would have to still be in place to achieve accuracy. But a really good idea on the problem with dry fires. Parker has the plastic retainer that really surprised me as to the durability and really retaining the proper tension on the shaft. I am not that good of a representative here, since I do not have the time behind me with a crossbow. However I have bow-hunted for 30 years. I have owned two different crossbows. And also hands on. Being in the stand with my crossbow more than a few times has really got me looking strongly at all the designs with a beginners eye. I have looked at them for years, for about 10 years. The crossbow was not so convincing to me back then. I think Parker has got it down pat here. Also the other companies have really come a long way since then.

I used to help my old friend Bill Rose in Ohio set his crossbow up for hunting season broadheads. I would set up his scope and he would shoot it and brag how he liked for me set his crossbow up. He passed away 2 years ago. I still miss him so very very much. He taught me what to expect when using a crossbow, among so many other wonderful things. I used his crossbow a couple times while in Ohio. It was an old Barnett that you could hang a 10 pound bag of flour on the trigger before the shot. He also sent his muzzle loader down to me one season so that I could hunt with his son Jerry here during the muzzle loader season. That got me started using a muzzle loader years ago.

But yes the capture nock is so much like the regular vert bow nock. That is one reason why I say that this design is going to take place of all the other old traditional moon nocks someday. It just makes better since and it works well. The problem right now is that Parker is slow about getting the design to fit all other arrow/shaft brands and sizes. There are so many different sizes.

Right now I am trying to find nocks to fit Cabelas Stalker X-arrows,I have six of them. I will not shoot the nocks that are on them for fear of the nock splitting.

If Parker does not hurry in the design and manufacturer of the nock sizes, the other manufactures are going to surpass them and have the design to fit other shafts. This is such a good design, I believe if I where Parker, I would get on the ball and get things done ASAP. Else they will be in the backseat looking over some other companies shoulder.

Edited by FuzzyFultz, 18 January 2012 - 08:24 AM.

[firenock]

A side note, we at Firenock had made  full containment nocks for the crossbow industries for over a year now.  We produce technically every size to fit all bows with various string diameters.  The only sad part is that the only shaft that these nock will fit is the shaft with internal diameter of 0.298" to 0.302" ID shaft (gold tip, victory, carbon tech, easton, PSE, beman, etc.), while the red hot is 0.282".  Below is all 4 of them for your references.  FYI, you do not have to get the circuit or the battery as the nock and circuit are field interchangeable, thus you can indeed shot Firenock plan nock.  All Firenock full-containment nock except the V nock are specially design to click solidly to the string to eliminate semi-dry firing due to forward movement of the shaft during load and stalking, and it is also design to fully engage most crossbow's anti-dry-diring systems.

D style to fit 0.166" to 175" Tac 15, TenPoint

J style to fit 0.156" to 165" (Barnett, Horton)

Q style to fit 0.145" to 155" (Scorpyd, Parker)

V style to fit 0.115" to 125" (inline crossbow)


Disclaimer:  For those crossbow that their string has downward pressure on the rail decks are not suitable to use full capture nock as this may cause the tip of the arrow to tilt upwards.

If you prefer to use Carbon Express or Parker bolt (they are made by carbon express) our current Y nock will work on both.

Edited by firenock, 21 January 2012 - 12:42 AM.

[Deerhunter34]

Well the results are in!  I only have about 25 shots in due to the weather and darkness soon after I get off work.  But the Carbon Express Xbow shoots my Parker Red Hots with capture nocks just fine.  Makes me happy.  I don't have to buy another supply of bolts.  Can use them for both my Hornet Extreme and my Carbon Express 3.3.

[FuzzyFultz]

firenock, on 20 January 2012 - 05:42 PM, said:

A side note, we at Firenock had made  full containment nocks for the crossbow industries for over a year now.  We produce technically every size to fit all bows with various string diameters.  The only sad part is that the only shaft that these nock will fit is the shaft with internal diameter of 0.298" to 0.302" ID shaft (gold tip, victory, carbon tech, easton, PSE, beman, etc.), while the red hot is 0.282".  Below is all 4 of them for your references.  FYI, you do not have to get the circuit or the battery as the nock and circuit are field interchangeable, thus you can indeed shot Firenock plan nock.  All Firenock full-containment nock except the V nock are specially design to click solidly to the string to eliminate semi-dry firing due to forward movement of the shaft during load and stalking, and it is also design to fully engage most crossbow's anti-dry-diring systems.

D style to fit 0.166" to 175" Tac 15, TenPoint

J style to fit 0.156" to 165" (Barnett, Horton)

Q style to fit 0.145" to 155" (Scorpyd, Parker)

V style to fit 0.115" to 125" (inline crossbow)


Disclaimer:  For those crossbow that their string has downward pressure on the rail decks are not suitable to use full capture nock as this may cause the tip of the arrow to tilt upwards.

If you prefer to use Carbon Express or Parker bolt (they are made by carbon express) our current Y nock will work on both.

Thanks, I will order some plain nocks in the near future. I wish I had this information yesterday. I ordered some plain nocks on-line in a half moon design. I would rather have your Q style nock for my Parker. I need some to fit Cabelas Stalker X bolts which are .296 - .297 ID. Then also some to fit the 2219 aluminum Eastons.

Edited by FuzzyFultz, 21 January 2012 - 11:06 AM.

[Sell]

I tried the Q style on  Horton Bone collecter carbon arrows and my Vision CB and they shoot great!

[FuzzyFultz]

I ordered the Firenock in the Q style and they work great in my Easton 2219 aluminum shafts. I am going to order some Y nocks for some Cabelas Stalker X bolts. But really I am thinking that I will go with the 2219 Easton aluminum all together. I do not like the carbon that well in my crossbow.

[firenock]

FuzzyFultz, on 07 February 2012 - 07:54 AM, said:

I am going to order some Y nocks for some Cabelas Stalker X bolts.

That would not work as Y nock are 0.282" bolts (like the one made by Carbon express).  The cabelas Stalker X bolts are made by Easton, and they are 0.298" ID.

[FuzzyFultz]

firenock, on 23 February 2012 - 06:33 PM, said:

That would not work as Y nock are 0.282" bolts (like the one made by Carbon express).  The cabelas Stalker X bolts are made by Easton, and they are 0.298" ID.

Thank you sir. I appreciate that. I let my friend in Ohio have the Cabelas arrows. They did shoot very well and I checked the spine on three of them last night and saw why they shot so well. They where all fletched from the factory with the spine almost perfectly in line with the cock vanes.

Thanks again,              
       Fuzzy

[salmonguy]

Deerhunter34, on 15 January 2012 - 01:06 PM, said:

Have any of you used your Parker bolts with capture nocks on a different brand of crossbow?  Do they work fine in place of moon nocks on the other brands?  Just curious because I have a new Carbon Express Covert 3.3 coming in tomorrow that I want to try with my Red Hot bolts.

I shoot the parker hunter bolts with capture nocks on my Horton Vision and they work very nicely.  My son is also going to use them with his Wicked Ridge Invader.

[Shine E Dawg]

My brother and I just bought a Hornet Extreme and the factory rep told us to only use the capture nock. We are both new to hunting with a crossbow. I got a PSE Cooperhead first after we shot it and decided that we could do this we both made the jump to new crossbow each. Which by the way we love them they are just what the doctor ordered right on target (with a little adjustment). I haven't thought about trying the Parker Red Hots in the PSE it is set up for 100gram and the Parkers are 125. But I'm with a little adjustment in the scope that we could have the PSE shooting these RED HOTS as good as it shoots the Barnnetts that I got with the bow. It can't hurt what do you think.

[Trader Jack]

I shoot the Red Hots in my Horton TRT-Ultra-Lite.  In some short testing recently with this bow they shot better than the GT Laser II's or the Horton Lightning Strike arrows.  Noticeable was downrange at 40-50 and 60 yds.  The Red Hots grouped extremely well.  Never thought this little bow would shoot groups like this.  I'm talking 1-1/2- 2" at 50 and 60 yds.  The Red Hots coupled with the Pinpoint Scope is a great combination on my TRT-UL.