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[sfbandit]

got my barnett quad 400 back from my lawyers office yesterday, and today i decided to do some shooting and comparing. first off middleton is only 10 fps faster than the barnett at 345, but the middleton penetrated the target over twice as much. shot sound this is what realy made me think because my middleton had hardley any more shot noise than the quad did. this surprized me. my conclusion that ive found is that people who complain about recurve shot noise should shoot the bows side by side for them selves before making such claims. any way monday im going to the pro shop to put some antivibration on my middleton 355 and see if i can bring down what little hand shock there is and to see if it will dampen the sound not that it needs it. i plan on dissasemble the quad 400 before i through it in the dumpster. altogether it has 15 shots 5 previously and 10 from today. but its defective and i dont want anyone to try and use it and since barnett refused to fix it im going to throw it in the trash, how ever ill keep the bow end, and scope incase somebody needs these parts but ill take no libality for them. as the saftey is whats wrong with the quad. anyway back to the comparison, the recurve is bigger than the compound this is the only dissadvantage it has to the compound, though i believe this is not a problem as i prefer its over all balance more, that being said the recurve was tied in shot sound to the quad i tested ( as im sure the quad avi would have been quiter than the regular quad i compared ) but the recurve won flat out hands down by far in penetration speed and over all ballance of the bow at the time of the shot. lets not overlook the string. recurve strings are eaiser to wax, and can be changed in the field. i realy love this middleton 355 bow, and i dought ill ever shoot a compound crossbow again. even though i have a middleton bow i found truth in the excalibur comercial on the outdoor channel about less parts to break, and ease of maintance. one final note if you live in my area i would be happy to let you shoot and check out my bow.

[georgiaboy]

Once you go curve you never go back!!  

[Lightfoot]

sfbandit, on 21 January 2012 - 05:06 PM, said:

got my barnett quad 400 back from my lawyers office yesterday, and today i decided to do some shooting and comparing. first off middleton is only 10 fps faster than the barnett at 345, but the middleton penetrated the target over twice as much. shot sound this is what realy made me think because my middleton had hardley any more shot noise than the quad did. this surprized me. my conclusion that ive found is that people who complain about recurve shot noise should shoot the bows side by side for them selves before making such claims. any way monday im going to the pro shop to put some antivibration on my middleton 355 and see if i can bring down what little hand shock there is and to see if it will dampen the sound not that it needs it. i plan on dissasemble the quad 400 before i through it in the dumpster. altogether it has 15 shots 5 previously and 10 from today. but its defective and i dont want anyone to try and use it and since barnett refused to fix it im going to throw it in the trash, how ever ill keep the bow end, and scope incase somebody needs these parts but ill take no libality for them. as the saftey is whats wrong with the quad. anyway back to the comparison, the recurve is bigger than the compound this is the only dissadvantage it has to the compound, though i believe this is not a problem as i prefer its over all balance more, that being said the recurve was tied in shot sound to the quad i tested ( as im sure the quad avi would have been quiter than the regular quad i compared ) but the recurve won flat out hands down by far in penetration speed and over all ballance of the bow at the time of the shot. lets not overlook the string. recurve strings are eaiser to wax, and can be changed in the field. i realy love this middleton 355 bow, and i dought ill ever shoot a compound crossbow again. even though i have a middleton bow i found truth in the excalibur comercial on the outdoor channel about less parts to break, and ease of maintance. one final note if you live in my area i would be happy to let you shoot and check out my bow.

I have a dtm355 also and is a great accurate bow. Been wanting to treat it to a black carbon skin for blind hunting and looks. Middleton retains downrange speed very well compared to others is why it has better penetration.

[wapster]

Is there a 425 Middleton available now ?

[limey]

wapster, on 22 January 2012 - 11:23 PM, said:

Is there a 425 Middleton available now ?

now I would be interested in something like that, as long as kinetic energy is also high.
I have an excal exocet 200 and I really prefer the simple easy re-string and no cams etc....BUT this is dependant on power. If no-one comes out with a 400fps+ recurve then I will buy a compound.

I wasn't aware of the middleton range when I bought the excal tbh, but it's a great xbow.

edited to add:
just realised the draw weight of that 375....hmmm, do you think we have reached the fps limit with recurve technology without getting into silly draw weights? (this question for anyone)

Edited by limey, 24 January 2012 - 03:02 AM.

[H&S Archer]

375#???

[skg2004]

Draw weight on my DTM 375 is 245 lbs, power stroke is 16.5 inches, and Kinetic energy is 110 FP. I really think the draw would be tough on anything over that. I am pretty healthy and still work out a lot. When I shoot a lot with the 375, it can get tiresome. I would be curious to see how much harder a 275lb or more recurve would be to cock. It definitely wouldn't be for the older person or someone lacking some strength. Just my opinion.

[Todd the archer]

I suspect 300 pounds with a strong enough rope cocker would be doable. After all cocking a 150 pound crossbow by hand is not too terrible.

Above that however I think you are going to need some specific cocking mechanism, and you might as well build it in like the PSE Tac 15.

Todd

[Lightfoot]

With rope cocker 300lbs draw would be one fifty. That would work out to 75lbs per arm. However on a short throw bow like the 315 or 330 it should be not too bad. The obvious choice here for a longer stroke would be a crank.

Just speaking theoretically of course.  I imagine a set of limbs like that would have to go through a lot of testing  and builds to be able to survive a dry fire and ensure a quality product before release. Wouldnt that be sweet though? A 400fps recurve under six lbs bare bones.

[TeamCrooks]

"If you build it, they will come."  If anyone can, Derrick can.  IMHO.  Betcha it'd sell, too!

[limey]

Lightfoot, on 09 February 2012 - 09:25 AM, said:

With rope cocker 300lbs draw would be one fifty. That would work out to 75lbs per arm. However on a short throw bow like the 315 or 330 it should be not too bad. The obvious choice here for a longer stroke would be a crank.

Just speaking theoretically of course.  I imagine a set of limbs like that would have to go through a lot of testing  and builds to be able to survive a dry fire and ensure a quality product before release. Wouldnt that be sweet though? A 400fps recurve under six lbs bare bones.

hmmm, indeed Lightfoot. I'm sitting tight and waiting after that teaser post on the other thread.....
I would much rather have a recurve than compound for ease of use etc, especially as I am a limey and we don't have anywhere to take xbows for fixing etc in the UK.
I like the idea of being able to do everything myself, hand cocking, restringing etc....although I do use the rope cocker sometimes on my exocet 200.

[TeamCrooks]

Guys, I'm wondering if the better part of the noise comes from the trigger mechanism, rather than the string or limbs.  My recurve and longbow are inherently quieter than my compound.  I note than when I use my rope cocker to decock my DTM 330 there is almost as much sound as when I fire a bolt.  Have any of you tinkered with your trigger mechanisms to attempt to dampen the sound??  Lightfoot?  Curious.....  I oughtta ask Derrick about his experience with this.