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[bluecreek170]

anyone nervous about buying ventilator because its just coming out or does scorpyd have a history of getting all the bugs out before releasing a product?Anyone have experirnce with scorpyds customer service ?How are they about warraty and fixing problems?

[Jetster]

bluecreek170, on 05 February 2012 - 12:12 PM, said:

anyone nervous about buying ventilator because its just coming out or does scorpyd have a history of getting all the bugs out before releasing a product?Anyone have experirnce with scorpyds customer service ?How are they about warraty and fixing problems?

Scorpyd good at fixing stuff,but if multiple problems like I had with the 380 shipping and other crap adds up!!!!!!! If I got patience (which I usually dont) im going to wait a few months after the Fury comes out to get some reviews from customers that get alot of shots out of them.....I jumped the gun last year and got screwed,but Horton and Scorpyd does have better records than the one I bought last year..............

[Jetster]

Maybe/and shouldnt fall for the Hype and claims to get your orders in early cause these are going to be like pulling hens teeth to get this year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Buck_Slayer]

Jetster, on 05 February 2012 - 01:04 PM, said:

Maybe/and shouldnt fall for the Hype and claims to get your orders in early cause these are going to be like pulling hens teeth to get this year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey Jetster,

Hens don't have teeth.

Edited by Buck_Slayer, 05 February 2012 - 01:09 PM.

[Rex@ScorpydCrossbow]

bluecreek170,

The new Ventilator has been put through multiple hours of testing. The Ventilator was shot at the ATA show for three days no-stop and didn't have one problem. The concept is the same as all the other Scorpyds but lighter and more compact. I am confident that the new Ventilator will stand the test that our customers put it through and will still be working just fine. The Ventilator will start shipping late March. Orders will be filled in the order they were received. As far as being hard to get that will not happen and we will be shipping them to our customers soon. I know that Scorpyd will sell several Ventilators this year and will do our best to keep orders up and get them to our customers fast as possible. If you have any questions feel free to give me a call because I am always available.


Best Regards,


Rex

[Jetster]

Buck_Slayer, on 05 February 2012 - 01:08 PM, said:

Hey Jetster,

Hens don't have teeth.

Well I guess its a good thing they don't have to chew there food then........................Aren't they are born with a tooth that helps them break through there shell????????Ranger should know this one!!!!!!!!!!

[Jetster]

If im right then all hens have tooths and would be hard to pull because they lose them fast correct???????Sorta like saying all bows will sell so fast ya better get-em early!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ventilator]

bluecreek170,

I ordered a Ventilator on Jan 4th with full confidence in Scorpyd's ability to get it right. I own a 2010 165 RDT, and customer service/warranty issues have always been resolved very quickly. What other company can you call and instantly talk to somone like Jim or Rex, without having to jump through a bunch of hoops? None, that I know of.

Like Rex said, this may be a new bow, but the basic platform has been around for years. This new Ventilator has MANY new safety features that make it very desireable. And it was the only 2012 reverse draw bow that was shot at the ATA, the competition just had prototypes at best, and more likely just non-shootable concepts.

Scorpyd has been refining their bows every year, and they offer at least 3 different poundage options for every model. The others will be playing catch up for several years, but Scorpyd will always be the leader in "Reverse Draw Technology", IMO.

Someone once said "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery", and several of the other crossbow companies are/will be tripping over themselves to buy this technology. The Reverse Limb Revolution has only just begun, the others are just starting to realize this, and the ones who don't will be left in the dust, IMO.

Scorpyd doesn't cut corners, they use the best materials available. Listen to the owners of the Scorpyd bows, not the "wanna be's" that have no experience with them whatsoever, but like to come stink up the threads here.  

Buy with confidence!

[Buck_Slayer]

Jetster, on 05 February 2012 - 05:30 PM, said:

Well I guess its a good thing they don't have to chew there food then........................Aren't they are born with a tooth that helps them break through there shell????????Ranger should know this one!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry Jet. I thought my sarcasm would still come thru, even in text form.

[Jetster]

Buck_Slayer, on 06 February 2012 - 12:58 AM, said:

Sorry Jet. I thought my sarcasm would still come thru, even in text form.

Oh well I had nothing better to do,not getting the super-bowl channel and all!!!!!And still cant get me to buy the new Scorpyd,rare to find/get or not at that price...................

[Jetster]

SCORPYDIZED, on 05 February 2012 - 09:08 PM, said:

bluecreek170,

I ordered a Ventilator on Jan 4th with full confidence in Scorpyd's ability to get it right. I own a 2010 165 RDT, and customer service/warranty issues have always been resolved very quickly. What other company can you call and instantly talk to somone like Jim or Rex, without having to jump through a bunch of hoops? None, that I know of.

Like Rex said, this may be a new bow, but the basic platform has been around for years. This new Ventilator has MANY new safety features that make it very desireable. And it was the only 2012 reverse draw bow that was shot at the ATA, the competition just had prototypes at best, and more likely just non-shootable concepts.

Scorpyd has been refining their bows every year, and they offer at least 3 different poundage options for every model. The others will be playing catch up for several years, but Scorpyd will always be the leader in "Reverse Draw Technology", IMO.

Someone once said "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery", and several of the other crossbow companies are/will be tripping over themselves to buy this technology. The Reverse Limb Revolution has only just begun, the others are just starting to realize this, and the ones who don't will be left in the dust, IMO.

Scorpyd doesn't cut corners, they use the best materials available. Listen to the owners of the Scorpyd bows, not the "wanna be's" that have no experience with them whatsoever, but like to come stink up the threads here.  

Buy with confidence!

I agree the reverse limb is the future,and do not see why more company's are not seeing thay right now!!!!!!The Scorpyd is a nice bow do not get me wrong,just is it worth the $450 price tag more than the competition of the Horton right now....And thats retail price,I think the Horton will probably be close to $600 cheaper,thats quite a chunk of change to alot of people........Drop the Scorpyd to a grand where I think it should be and they would fly out the door,but maybe thats what he doesnt want (being a small company and all)!!!!!

[Sagittarius]

Jetster,

Not trying to tell you what to do but, whenever I wanted a certain expensive item more than a less expensive one, I would justify it by saying, for instance... "the rifle I really wants costs $1000.00 but I can get another brand in the same caliber for $500.00 that will do the job".
"But, if I get the cheaper one when I'd rather have the more expensive higher quality rifle I wanted in the first place. I will have wasted $500.00 toward the price of the one I really wanted" !  
"I believe, I will save up until I can get the one I really want" !
The moral of the story is...
Get the one you really want, even if you have to save up and wait a little while longer.
You won't regret it, trust me.
How did the last bow you bought work out for you ?

Edited by Sagittarius, 07 February 2012 - 12:01 AM.

[Lightfoot]

SCORPYDIZED, on 05 February 2012 - 09:08 PM, said:

bluecreek170,

I ordered a Ventilator on Jan 4th with full confidence in Scorpyd's ability to get it right. I own a 2010 165 RDT, and customer service/warranty issues have always been resolved very quickly. What other company can you call and instantly talk to somone like Jim or Rex, without having to jump through a bunch of hoops? None, that I know of.

Like Rex said, this may be a new bow, but the basic platform has been around for years. This new Ventilator has MANY new safety features that make it very desireable. And it was the only 2012 reverse draw bow that was shot at the ATA, the competition just had prototypes at best, and more likely just non-shootable concepts.

Scorpyd has been refining their bows every year, and they offer at least 3 different poundage options for every model. The others will be playing catch up for several years, but Scorpyd will always be the leader in "Reverse Draw Technology", IMO.

Someone once said "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery", and several of the other crossbow companies are/will be tripping over themselves to buy this technology. The Reverse Limb Revolution has only just begun, the others are just starting to realize this, and the ones who don't will be left in the dust, IMO.

Scorpyd doesn't cut corners, they use the best materials available. Listen to the owners of the Scorpyd bows, not the "wanna be's" that have no experience with them whatsoever, but like to come stink up the threads here.  

Buy with confidence!

Reverse limb tech has been out for a long time and went through an early revolution in the 80's. A few of the original patents didnt have risers at all but were bolted directly onto the rail/stock. Later versions used a riser much like you see on most of todays bows. I saw pictures in a book once of Fred Bear having one he licensed. New guy on the Excal forum posted pic's of it some time back.

Ancient torsion balista's used "inswinging" arms that used a lot more rotation then Jim's, but none the less was the original reverse draw. I've been working with them going on 15 years soon. Where I previously used metal rods and springs, I have a few other designs using limbs, one at 455fps and a second one in the works that should be about the same.  The Scorpyds are not cheap to buy so work is a little slow, and I blew out one riser so I am down to one bow again.

I am curious to find out whether the same performance can be had from regular orientated limbs, so am thinking either the TAC15 or Barnett Ghost 400 can achieve the same using parralell limbs symetry.

I have been playing with my "mini-tac", and "inswinger torsion" on a Hickory Creek in-line, beginning my learning curve of railess designs. Hoping what I learn can help with building a railess Scorpyd. So far the best progress has been elimination of the cam lean (or majority of), but a few more challenges are still ahead. Expensive process for a design challenge.

Romans used reverse draw tech? Here is a blog exploring the possibilities: http://wattsunique.com/blog/

Yes a possibility old Lightfoot has too much time on his hands... and another strong possibility there is a new scorpyd Ventilator  in my future. Maybe one day I will buy one and not disasemble it for parts LOL. Hope Jim finds them interesting one day...

[Sagittarius]

Lightfoot,

I have often wondered if a 3 track cam style would work on a rail-less crossbow since is has zero cam lean.
No way it would work with a standard crossbow but just might with a rail-less.
You have quad cables to contend with but half the wear and tear vs conventional cables.
Of course, you need an arrow rest too but Dorge's new rest looks promising for that application.
PSE used to use spacers to offset the difference in cam alignment to lessen the effects of cam lean.
Gearhead's extended roller system looked promising for controlling cam lean also.

[Lightfoot]

2012 Hunting season is still a ways off yet so I have a little time to tweak some things. I am working directly with one manufacturer on new product developement and company re-organisation, and will be devoting all my time over the next month or so to that. Once done new REAL effort ($$$) will be put into new product development, and then one way or the other some new product will be hitting the shelves.

I enjoy the friendships with manufacturers formed over the years, and would rather work WITH them than against them. The market is certainly big enough not to step on each others toes. Certainly new bow limb development and technology is primary, and will soon be testing totally new product further improving on an already hard to beat product.

Hopefully splintering/delaminating limbs will soon be a thing of the past with new performance goals above 450fps being set. A total of three new reverse limb designs is underway with one already completed and at 455fps. Hoping the next design gets the same limbs to 475 - 500fps. Spiderweb needs to step up their product to a 2.0 xl rated at 500fps or better. Dorge has the arrows for it he says.

Dorge's new arrow rest looks interesting enough and I will be trying it out most likely, but have my own ideas (more tin foil cap thinking LOL).  I look forward to showing Jim some new rdt designs at some point in near future. With the Ventilator due to come out, I think he might be a little busy.

[crappie-tom]

Sagittarius, on 06 February 2012 - 11:59 PM, said:

Jetster, Not trying to tell you what to do but, whenever I wanted a certain expensive item more than a less expensive one, I would justify it by saying, for instance... "the rifle I really wants costs $1000.00 but I can get another brand in the same caliber for $500.00 that will do the job". "But, if I get the cheaper one when I'd rather have the more expensive higher quality rifle I wanted in the first place. I will have wasted $500.00 toward the price of the one I really wanted" ! "I believe, I will save up until I can get the one I really want" ! The moral of the story is... Get the one you really want, even if you have to save up and wait a little while longer. You won't regret it, trust me. How did the last bow you bought work out for you ?

Sag, we already tried that one with Jester.

[crappie-tom]

Lightfoot, on 07 February 2012 - 01:09 PM, said:

2012 Hunting season is still a ways off yet so I have a little time to tweak some things. I am working directly with one manufacturer on new product developement and company re-organisation, and will be devoting all my time over the next month or so to that. Once done new REAL effort ($$$) will be put into new product development, and then one way or the other some new product will be hitting the shelves. I enjoy the friendships with manufacturers formed over the years, and would rather work WITH them than against them. The market is certainly big enough not to step on each others toes. Certainly new bow limb development and technology is primary, and will soon be testing totally new product further improving on an already hard to beat product. Hopefully splintering/delaminating limbs will soon be a thing of the past with new performance goals above 450fps being set. A total of three new reverse limb designs is underway with one already completed and at 455fps. Hoping the next design gets the same limbs to 475 - 500fps. Spiderweb needs to step up their product to a 2.0 xl rated at 500fps or better. Dorge has the arrows for it he says. Dorge's new arrow rest looks interesting enough and I will be trying it out most likely, but have my own ideas (more tin foil cap thinking LOL). I look forward to showing Jim some new rdt designs at some point in near future. With the Ventilator due to come out, I think he might be a little busy.

Great to hear about what your working on Lightfoot. That Telson # keeps on growing.  I'm hearing more limb info than torsion though.
Dorge has the arrows, I know of a target,  What are the chances that we might see a product to shoot this year? Railess?
c-t

[Jetster]

I am saving up for the Xbow that I really/really want,you just dont know that.............Its because they haven't made it yet!!!!!

[Sagittarius]

Jetster, on 07 February 2012 - 09:49 PM, said:

I am saving up for the Xbow that I really/really want,you just dont know that.............Its because they haven't made it yet!!!!!

I get that; someone hasn't made mine either !   I'm waiting.

[Lightfoot]

crappie-tom, on 07 February 2012 - 06:38 PM, said:

Great to hear about what your working on Lightfoot. That Telson # keeps on growing.  I'm hearing more limb info than torsion though.
Dorge has the arrows, I know of a target,  What are the chances that we might see a product to shoot this year? Railess?
c-t

The current 455fps Telson is a solid limb version, the 460plus was split limbs.... my design engineering company let me down big time so I am way behind now for the torsion. I have had too much money going out the door so must get some coming in for the next month. CAnt spend it until you earn it unfortunately.

As mentioned elsewhere, pics of my basic spring powered torsion design has been on internet for over a year and no longer patentable, so I must move on to the more advanced design(s). Its up next for prototyping and testing next month, and I continue to work on others.  After last years bowtech fiasco, consumers are a little more wary now about where they are willing to spend money, and untried and unproved (by hunting community) technology will be slow to take off I think, and then there are those who are contacting legislators about proposed torsion designs already. Not everyone wishes me well and I must be prudent about how and when I release new stuff. -  any mistakes I make will be expensive. There is also a dif between a working prototype and a production ready model, and about another 15 - 25K or more investment.

The railess design is a wish and a gleam in my eye, while new reverse draw designs can be modeled easily enough but at 1400.00 a pop it gets expensive in a hurry when custom limbs and parts have to be made. If I was rich and had a real budget for this it would go much faster, but my pockets are only so deep.

I'd rather go for the 500fps plus rather than the railess right now, and making speeds above 450 fps reliable and safe is a challenge. Just ask any manfacturer with much deeper pockets than me. The other challenge is that there is not much safety margin in crossbows it seems (some excluded of course) and it does not take much at all for bow component breakdowns.

Some folks believe limb tech has gone as far as it can, but thats not my experience so far. Its the bow components themselves that are at their maximum performance level. When you add only another 15-20lbs pull and components other than the limbs start failing or breaking its enough to break a designer/builders heart and pocketbook. Im not a company (yet) just a basement innovator trying to break into the biz so I am exploring all options before committing to a course of action and money expenditure.

I will develop and produce a number of designs, pick the best one and go with that for now. Its all I can do at this point and my pocketbook says it dont matter if its torsion or limb power, the choice has to be correct or Im toast. Which would you say be wisest to lead with as a first product, untried and unproved, or "old reliable" time tested and accepted norm?

Some things are just pure business decisions, same as having to work each day so your family gets fed. I dont think you will be disapointed over the next year or by next hunting season. Perhaps two or three manufacturers will have a torsion machine in their line up. The best laid plans of mice and men....