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Lightfoot, on 08 February 2012 - 01:44 PM, said:
The current 455fps Telson is a solid limb version, the 460plus was split limbs.... my design engineering company let me down big time so I am way behind now for the torsion. I have had too much money going out the door so must get some coming in for the next month. CAnt spend it until you earn it unfortunately.
As mentioned elsewhere, pics of my basic spring powered torsion design has been on internet for over a year and no longer patentable, so I must move on to the more advanced design(s). Its up next for prototyping and testing next month, and I continue to work on others. After last years bowtech fiasco, consumers are a little more wary now about where they are willing to spend money, and untried and unproved (by hunting community) technology will be slow to take off I think, and then there are those who are contacting legislators about proposed torsion designs already. Not everyone wishes me well and I must be prudent about how and when I release new stuff. - any mistakes I make will be expensive. There is also a dif between a working prototype and a production ready model, and about another 15 - 25K or more investment.
The railess design is a wish and a gleam in my eye, while new reverse draw designs can be modeled easily enough but at 1400.00 a pop it gets expensive in a hurry when custom limbs and parts have to be made. If I was rich and had a real budget for this it would go much faster, but my pockets are only so deep.
I'd rather go for the 500fps plus rather than the railess right now, and making speeds above 450 fps reliable and safe is a challenge. Just ask any manfacturer with much deeper pockets than me. The other challenge is that there is not much safety margin in crossbows it seems (some excluded of course) and it does not take much at all for bow component breakdowns.
Some folks believe limb tech has gone as far as it can, but thats not my experience so far. Its the bow components themselves that are at their maximum performance level. When you add only another 15-20lbs pull and components other than the limbs start failing or breaking its enough to break a designer/builders heart and pocketbook. Im not a company (yet) just a basement innovator trying to break into the biz so I am exploring all options before committing to a course of action and money expenditure.
I will develop and produce a number of designs, pick the best one and go with that for now. Its all I can do at this point and my pocketbook says it dont matter if its torsion or limb power, the choice has to be correct or Im toast. Which would you say be wisest to lead with as a first product, untried and unproved, or "old reliable" time tested and accepted norm?
Some things are just pure business decisions, same as having to work each day so your family gets fed. I dont think you will be disapointed over the next year or by next hunting season. Perhaps two or three manufacturers will have a torsion machine in their line up. The best laid plans of mice and men....
As mentioned elsewhere, pics of my basic spring powered torsion design has been on internet for over a year and no longer patentable, so I must move on to the more advanced design(s). Its up next for prototyping and testing next month, and I continue to work on others. After last years bowtech fiasco, consumers are a little more wary now about where they are willing to spend money, and untried and unproved (by hunting community) technology will be slow to take off I think, and then there are those who are contacting legislators about proposed torsion designs already. Not everyone wishes me well and I must be prudent about how and when I release new stuff. - any mistakes I make will be expensive. There is also a dif between a working prototype and a production ready model, and about another 15 - 25K or more investment.
The railess design is a wish and a gleam in my eye, while new reverse draw designs can be modeled easily enough but at 1400.00 a pop it gets expensive in a hurry when custom limbs and parts have to be made. If I was rich and had a real budget for this it would go much faster, but my pockets are only so deep.
I'd rather go for the 500fps plus rather than the railess right now, and making speeds above 450 fps reliable and safe is a challenge. Just ask any manfacturer with much deeper pockets than me. The other challenge is that there is not much safety margin in crossbows it seems (some excluded of course) and it does not take much at all for bow component breakdowns.
Some folks believe limb tech has gone as far as it can, but thats not my experience so far. Its the bow components themselves that are at their maximum performance level. When you add only another 15-20lbs pull and components other than the limbs start failing or breaking its enough to break a designer/builders heart and pocketbook. Im not a company (yet) just a basement innovator trying to break into the biz so I am exploring all options before committing to a course of action and money expenditure.
I will develop and produce a number of designs, pick the best one and go with that for now. Its all I can do at this point and my pocketbook says it dont matter if its torsion or limb power, the choice has to be correct or Im toast. Which would you say be wisest to lead with as a first product, untried and unproved, or "old reliable" time tested and accepted norm?
Some things are just pure business decisions, same as having to work each day so your family gets fed. I dont think you will be disapointed over the next year or by next hunting season. Perhaps two or three manufacturers will have a torsion machine in their line up. The best laid plans of mice and men....
Thanks for all the info Lightfoot.
I"ll share MY thoughts for my next purchase as a consumer. Since I already own the fastest production xbow and, one of the lightest which I am both happy with. My next purchase is going to be for something different. Something that raises the bar above the rest. Not another "me too product". I enjoy target shooting so, I don't really care if I can hunt with a torsion or not. I am looking for a torsion design because I think the failure rate of limb products trying to get to 500 fps may be cause for concern to me and, I think cables are always going to be a problem. You don't have to worry about cables or limbs with the Torsion design. I like the fact a torsion can be variable speed. I like the idea a torsion might be quieter and, light in weight. I would like it even more if it was a railess product that can use Dorges Aerorest or a drop away rest for the long range accuracy potential. I would also expect it to have a great trigger and, safety system as well. I really like the Telson trigger. Scorpyd does alot of things right. I hope they pick up your torsion ideas down the road. I look forward to seeing your hard work brought to market someday soon I hope. I've parked the money for it already. I hope it doesn't make too much interest waiting.
Take care of yourself
c-t
