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[imfrogman]

Well I'm screwed now, at least I can still use crossbow in South Carolina.
This was a direct result of the assh###s at the NC bowhunters assc. See press release below from NC Wildlife Assc.



1 - There will be NO Sunday hunting (bow and arrow AND falconry) this fall.



2 - ONLY hunters holding a disabled crossbow permit may hunt with a crossbow this fall.



3 - There will be NO changes to the deer seasons.          

          A - Muzzleloader season remains at ONE week, bow and arrow will NOT be shortened by one week.

          B - The daily bag limit IS STILL in effect

          C - The Northwestern deer season is NOT extended to January 1.

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The earliest the proposals adopted by the Commission could go into effect is in the 2010 - 2011 season.  Listed below is  link to the press release from the North Carolina Wildlife Resources Commission as well as the season dates for the 2009-2010 deer season.  Remember to completely know and understand the rules/regulations for the '09-'10 season make sure you obtain a copy of the Regulations Digest in July.  Contact us if you need additional information.



Link to the official press release by the North Carolina Wildlife Resources Commission.

http://www.ncwildlif...tive_Review.htm

[Urban Legend]

Thant stinks.  Sorry to hear that.

[aceoky]

I hated to hear it but wasn't really surprised with an archaic law like NC has (if ten letters opposing it has to be delayed at least)

The bow clubs, like to fight against their own kind sad as that fact is, but in NC at best they simply delayed the outcome, which to them no doubt is a "victory" but at what cost???

I guess the NC Bow clubs haven't heard of "what goes around , comes back around" and when THEY want something they'll likely find out how it feels.....

Another point in fact, the Sunday hunting was "shut down" due to some religious groups following the bow club's "lead" which really stinks IMO

[Big-Bird-VA]

Here we've tried for Sundays for years. The last time the hound hunters group along with HSUS got up and spoke against it. Yes against it. Imagine that, a deer hound org siding with HSUS to stop a another day of hunting being added in. Sometimes I think we (hunters) shoot ourselves in the foot, reload and shoot the other one just because.

[Bustedmp]

Big-Bird-VA said:

Sometimes I think we (hunters) shoot ourselves in the foot, reload and shoot the other one just because.

Sad as it may be, That statement hit the nail square on the head, and drove it all the way in with one hit. You would think hunters being hunters, we all would stand behind and support each other.

[airgunner]

I just finished writing the whole NC senate asking them to take no action and let the NCWRC recommendations pass through without amendment.

If you care about crossbows or just personal freedoms write them. Here are all the email addresses ready to copy and paste in to an email.

Charlie.Albertson@ncleg.net ; Austin.Allran@ncleg.net ; Tom.Apodaca@ncleg.net ; Bob.Atwater@ncleg.net ; Marc.Basnight@ncleg.net ; Doug.Berger@ncleg.net ; Phil.Berger@ncleg.net ; Stan.Bingham@ncleg.net ; Harris.Blake@ncleg.net ; Julia.Boseman@ncleg.net ; Andrew.Brock@ncleg.net ; Harry.Brown@ncleg.net ; Peter.Brunstetter@ncleg.net ; Debbie.Clary@ncleg.net ; Daniel.Clodfelter@ncleg.net ; Charlie.Dannelly@ncleg.net ; Don.Davis@ncleg.net ; Katie.Dorsett@ncleg.net ; Don.East@ncleg.net ; Tony.Foriest@ncleg.net ; James.Forrester@ncleg.net ; Linda.Garrou@ncleg.net ; Eddie.Goodall@ncleg.net ; Steve.Goss@ncleg.net ; Malcolm.Graham@ncleg.net ; Fletcher.Hartsell@ncleg.net ; David.Hoyle@ncleg.net ; Neal.Hunt@ncleg.net ; Jim.Jacumin@ncleg.net ; Clark.Jenkins@ncleg.net ; Edward.Jones@ncleg.net ; Ellie.Kinnaird@ncleg.net ; Floyd.McKissick@ncleg.net ; Martin.Nesbitt@ncleg.net ; Jean.Preston@ncleg.net ; William.Purcell@ncleg.net ; Joe.Queen@ncleg.net ; Tony.Rand@ncleg.net ; David.Rouzer@ncleg.net ; Bob.Rucho@ncleg.net ; Larry.Shaw@ncleg.net ; John.Snow@ncleg.net ; RC.Soles@ncleg.net ; Josh.Stein@ncleg.net ; Richard.Stevens@ncleg.net ; AB.Swindell@ncleg.net ; Jerry.Tillman@ncleg.net ; Don.Vaughan@ncleg.net ; David.Weinstein@ncleg.net

[beervo2]

Big-Bird-VA said:

Here we've tried for Sundays for years. The last time the hound hunters group along with HSUS got up and spoke against it. Yes against it. Imagine that, a deer hound org siding with HSUS to stop a another day of hunting being added in. Sometimes I think we (hunters) shoot ourselves in the foot, reload and shoot the other one just because.

When it comes to hunting groups standing along side HSUS and fighting other sportsmen, Thats a SAD day for all......

Mike

[Big-Bird-VA]

beervo2 said:

When it comes to hunting groups standing along side HSUS and fighting other sportsmen, Thats a SAD day for all......

Mike

You got it. But the hound hunters want everyone to stand up for them. Va has a screwed up law, IMHO, that allows a hunter to come onto your land day or night, 365 unarmed to look for and retrieve his lost hounds. Unannounced no permission, no trespassing signs mean nothing he can come on your land. And his hounds can run on it too in the same manner. The topper is they found a loophole that allows them to train illegally on deer before their season comes in. So you have dogs during bow. The state has been getting complaints so the did a study. Needless to say the hound group says all hunters should support all other hunters no matter what. They forget the Sunday deal they pulled. Once the hound season in my part opens up it's pretty much over for still hunting. They have a 8 week season too. Bow gets 7 or so. Moon has the same problems in his area too. He has some nice stories about their tactics. `


Still NC is close to VA in the way the laws work and getting game laws changed is a major accomplishment for either state. Sucks for them to get it and then get it yanked back. But as a hunter of any sorts we're way down on the list for anyone really caring what happens to us or our legal woes.

[Moon]

do to their dogs in January that don't meet their deer chasing standards. Need I say more? and they get away with it. If I shoot my pet dog, I go to jail. Deer chasing in SE Virginia has become an intrusive, sick, obnoxious way of killing deer and, in the process, steps all over others' privacy and property rights. Land owners in this part of  the state will not rest until until this hidious so called method of hunting (should be renamed "deer chasing and shooting season") is ended or drastically changed.

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[Moon]

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Dear Ladies and Gentleman,

Although I don't live in North Carolina anymore, it's my home state. I was raised on a farm just south of Roanoke Rapids, close to Scotland Neck. Of course, that has nothing to do with why I'm writing to you today :-) I'm 66 years old, have been a bowhunter since 1963 and, matter of fact, the first deer I ever took with a recurve bow was in Halifax County. I've been hooked on archery and bowhunting since that day.



I have lived in SE Virginia, 25 miles south of Richmond, since 1964. 5 years ago I was diagnosed with severe arthritis in my neck and shoulders. As much as I loved shooting and hunting with my traditional recurves, long bows and even compound bows, that part of my life came to a sudden end. I was severely depressed and could not stand the thought of not being able to bowhunt anymore. A friend of mine suggested I look at crossbows as a means to continue bowhunting. 3 days later I was back to flinging arrows again with my new Ten Point Stealth X2 crossbow. I drove home that day with a smile on my face. Yes, the crossbow was heavy and loud but those arrows flying greatly outweighed any negatives associated with the crossbow. 2 weeks later I was successful in getting a doctor permit that was required then to hunt during bowhunting season with a crossbow in Virginia. I was back in business and thanked God for crossbows. Shortly thereafter, Virginia made crossbows legal for bowhunting for anyone that wanted to. The Virginia Bowhunters organization fought to prevent it, of course, but logical reasoning was not on their side. I'm still a member of Virginia Bowhunters because I will not stop promoting archery and bowhunting no matter what legal hunting tool a person desires to bowhunt with and I still hope that state bowhunting organizations will eventually admit that crossbow hunting is an asset to all involved, including the states, wildlife organizations, local economies, younger and older hunters that currently can't bowhunt with vertical bows of hunting draw weights and anyone else that desires to hunt with a crossbow.

Now, after 4 years of crossbow inclusion in Virginia, there have been literally no negative repercussions. States like Pennsylvania, the  largest bowhunting state in this country, have recently joined Virginia in included crossbows in their bowhunting seasons, along with numerous other states like South Carolina and New Jersey. I ask you to consider these developments in other states as a  guideline for your decisions concerning crossbow inclusion in bowhunting season in North Carolina.

[Hodgen]

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Here's what many of the dog owners (clowns) do to their dogs in January that don't meet their deer chasing standards. Need I say more? and they get away with it. If I shoot my pet dog, I go to jail.

Actually Moon....In a lot of states it is legal to shoot your own dog. They are considered stock and a bullet is considered a humane way to dispatch them. Here in PA we seem to have a problem with the animal lovers infiltrating the Dept of AG and some end up being dog wardens so their personal agenda spills over into their job so it seems sometimes the letter of the law isn't followed. It definately causes some confusion.

We recently had a case where the dog wardens inspected a kennel and determined there were problems. The kennel owner walked down the line, shot all 80 some dogs he had, and politely turned in his kennel license. This raised an uproar but in the end the court determined the guy was within his rights.

[Big-Bird-VA]

Yep it's legal here too. A hunt club I was in the "prez" shot a hound for not running. I called animal control and they said it was legal. Funny just a few months after that in the same county just up the road a few miles another guy got in big trouble for killing dogs and such. I think his name was Michael. Yes Michael Vick was his name. If he had been smart he would have said it was a hunting dog and avoided all the problems.

[ohiostate]

in tn most hunters see a dog's running deer it is a dead dog?? this past year got so piss off win dogs wood chase deer.. ever day them sob wood run the deer. never did get a shot at the mutt's.. killed a mutt about 4-5 years ago:D that is a load of horse ???? they can come on your land day our night and get the dog's.. down year will call it trespassing and you will go to jail fore it:eek:

[Bustedmp]

While I can agree, dogs have no business chasing deer in the woods, but the dog is just doing what it was trained to do. The dog owner/trainer should be shot. And the hound hunters shooting the dogs because they didn't perform to the hunters standards, they should be in jail.

[hunterfisher]

I live in the north western part of NC. Thank God, dogs are not allowed to run here. It was different though when I lived in the southern part of the state where deer dogs were allowed. Soon as regular rifle season opened they had the damn dogs out ruining the ''still'' hunters day. These guys would shoot from their trucks, with the big whip antennas, drink their beer, and half the time, leave a shot-up deer, ''less antlers,'' if it happened to be a buck. If they took the meat, it was only the backstrap. I was caretaker of 300 acres, all heavily posted, but they paid it no mind. As God is my judge, they would go out just to see how many deer they could kill in a day. This crowd should not be labled as ''hunters'' in my book. If they acctually had to hunt for a deer, they would never kill one. They are doing more harm to the sport of deer hunting than they realize. JMO

Kenny

[Moon]

and they will be asking "what happened"? What you mentioned is standard practice for most of them as they see it as "hunting". and think that's the way "hunting" should be. The word "clueless" comes to mind:rolleyes:

[Guide Girl]

hunterfisher said:

I live in the north western part of NC. Thank God, dogs are not allowed to run here. It was different though when I lived in the southern part of the state where deer dogs were allowed. Soon as regular rifle season opened they had the damn dogs out ruining the ''still'' hunters day. These guys would shoot from their trucks, with the big whip antennas, drink their beer, and half the time, leave a shot-up deer, ''less antlers,'' if it happened to be a buck. If they took the meat, it was only the backstrap. I was caretaker of 300 acres, all heavily posted, but they paid it no mind. As God is my judge, they would go out just to see how many deer they could kill in a day. This crowd should not be labled as ''hunters'' in my book. If they acctually had to hunt for a deer, they would never kill one. They are doing more harm to the sport of deer hunting than they realize. JMO

Kenny

In Texas, it is very illegal to use dogs to hunt deer, and just recently, we have been allowed to use dogs to track a wounded deer, and only on a leash. Entering private property without permission can get you and your dogs shot. A landowner is allowed to protect their property.
But, this is what I wanted to add. People do this with hog hunting down here and dispatch the hog after it is caught and held by the dogs, with a BIG knife! Now, this is not my thing, but I feel like I shouldn't speak out or work against it because it is another "hunters" thing. It kinda puts you in a tight spot doesn't it? Having to keep quiet about another hunters "style" in able to be one big happy family of hunters and not be a hippocrite. What to do?

[buckeye dan]

hunterfisher said:

I live in the north western part of NC. Thank God, dogs are not allowed to run here. It was different though when I lived in the southern part of the state where deer dogs were allowed. Soon as regular rifle season opened they had the damn dogs out ruining the ''still'' hunters day. These guys would shoot from their trucks, with the big whip antennas, drink their beer, and half the time, leave a shot-up deer, ''less antlers,'' if it happened to be a buck. If they took the meat, it was only the backstrap. I was caretaker of 300 acres, all heavily posted, but they paid it no mind. As God is my judge, they would go out just to see how many deer they could kill in a day. This crowd should not be labled as ''hunters'' in my book. If they acctually had to hunt for a deer, they would never kill one. They are doing more harm to the sport of deer hunting than they realize. JMO

Kenny

It is your duty as a hunter to turn the law breakers in. Game wardens make more busts due to tips than they do with their own investigations. I know most of us don't like to be the rat or a narc but if people are allowed to go about their business with no regard for the law year after year what else will stop them? I just hope it is not the extinction of an animal that comes first.

[Joey]

Ok...guys I'm going to chime in..I've been following this and keeping my mouth shut...BUT this has gone from..."no hunting on Sunday's and NO crossbows unless you are handicapped"..to..a dog hunting bashing. If you want to bash dog hunters..start your own topic and do so..other wise..STICK TO THE TOPIC..
   Just my two cents.....

[Roamer]

What is wrong with hunting on Sundays. The animals don't know the difference.

I swear those bible thumping organizations need a boot up their asses to be reminded to keep their noses out of other peoples business. It seems like everytime someone does something, that the vatican or Southern Baptist council or whatever council the other ones belong to, they don't agree with. All of a sudden you are going to hell for it or it is against gods wishes.

Now, I have spent many a Sunday in the field hunting all by myself and not once has God ever said "Charlie if you don't get to church right now and quit hunting on Sunday you are going to hell!" Not once have I heard that and I would bet that none of you have either.

As for our brethern crossbow hunters, that is sad and just a case of the elitist bow hunters throwing their power around. I swear bow hunters think their way is the only way and everyone elses is not as hard or as fulfilling.

What goes around comes around as someone said earlier.