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#1 buckeye dan

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Posted 13 July 2009 - 01:59 PM

TOM VENESKY
July 12
Restricting use of crossbows an on-target policy TOM VENESKY OUTDOORS

There are some things our state legislators should not do.

Raise our taxes.

Raise their salaries (at least not under the cover of darkness).

And tell us what can be defined as a bow.

I’m not going to get into the first two issues – this is an outdoors column after all.

But the last one is fair game on this page. Yes, the state House of Representatives is considering a bill (House Bill 965) that would include crossbows under the definition of a “bow.”

On the surface such a notion seems pretty harmless … pointless if you will.

But if the bill passes both the House and the Senate, there could be some major ramifications – especially after what happened during Thursday’s meeting of the Pennsylvania Game Commission board.

During the meeting, commissioner Ron Weaner made a motion to restrict the use of crossbows (the board previously voted to allow crossbows to be used during the entire fall archery season and two-day bear archery season) for the upcoming fall season.

Specifically, Weaner’s proposal restricts crossbow use to the first two weeks of the statewide archery season (Oct. 3-16) and prohibits them for the two-day bear season (disabled hunters with a permit wouldn’t be affected by the measure).

The proposal still needs final approval, but it makes a lot of sense. Nobody can say how much of an impact crossbows will have on the resource – deer and bear both. Until there is some indication, it’s best to take small steps with this than go full bore and worry about the impact later.

Impact.

There’s going to be one if full inclusion is allowed. Maybe it’s a hunch, but consider this: in the 2009-10 hunting and trapping digest, there are three full-page ads from crossbow manufacturers. Each full page ad costs $10,000. Apparently the crossbow industry intends on selling quite a few crossbows in Pennsylvania this year.

What if a deluge of hunters takes up crossbows this fall and ends up shooting too many deer?

Well, right now the PGC board would be able to alter the amount of days crossbows can be used to lessen the impact, if needed.

But if HB 965 passes, the board can’t make any season changes targeting crossbows specifically because they would now be considered bows.

So now what?

Well, if too many deer are being shot with crossbows, and HB 965 passes, the PGC can do two things – cut the entire archery season or cut antlerless license allocations.

Take your pick.

And it doesn’t end there.

On the same day the PGC board met, the National Rifle Association’s manager of hunting policy, Darren LaSorte, sent a letter to the House Game and Fisheries Committee urging them to support HB 965.

In the letter, LaSorte stated that including crossbows for the entire archery season is “biologically justified” and “will ultimately lead to improved hunter recruitment.”

Really?

Where are the studies that biologically justify allowing crossbows for Pennsylvania’s archery season? How many new hunters will crossbows attract to the sport?

And why does the NRA care so much about a bill that would define crossbows as bows?

LaSorte goes on to throw a few jabs at the PGC board, accusing them of playing politics for even considering limiting crossbow use.

“Pennsylvania’s hunters deserve much better,” LaSorte wrote.

He’s right. We do deserve better, and that’s why the NRA should stay out of the crossbow issues, let the PGC manage our wildlife and start thinking about the resource first.

Source: http://www.timeslead...07-12-2009.html

Edited by buckeye dan, 13 July 2009 - 02:02 PM.

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huntingal said:

Ah, an idealist. Ok, I'll put pen to paper and contact my congressman. But I will talk to God tonight, just in case.

#2 aceoky

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Posted 13 July 2009 - 03:59 PM

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What if a deluge of hunters takes up crossbows this fall and ends up shooting too many deer?

What if they do? Ever heard of DATA , define "deluge" please LOL.........

A VERY biased (and not even remotely true article spewing fear based upon personal agendas no doubt, one must "wonder WHERE this is really coming from" I smell the work of a small "special interest group" at work here......

The writer left OUT that this bill (HB 965) ONLY came out as a DIRECT result of the BOC flip-flopping and the BOC was fully aware this was going to happen......anyone wonder why that was left out????????:confused:

I "would" tear this apart in spades but most here (at least) already know the truth........

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Posted 13 July 2009 - 04:04 PM

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Really?

Where are the studies that biologically justify allowing crossbows for Pennsylvania’s archery season? How many new hunters will crossbows attract to the sport?

Well since YOU asked......... :confused: (and there IS more such DATA again since YOU asked)

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Where crossbows were legalized, hunting participation increased.

Here are some examples.

Ohio: Crossbows have been legal since 1976. During the 2001-2002 season, the success rate of an estimated 88,000 vertical bow hunters was 19.8 percent, while the success rate of 106,000 crossbow hunters was 22.7 percent. In 2003-2004, 29,397 deer were taken with crossbows and 21,167 were taken with vertical equipment. During the 2004-2005 harvest, crossbow hunters accounted for 33,175 kills, vertical archers took 24,023 deer. In 2006-2007, hunters killed 237,316 deer: firearms 112,260, combined archery 67,912, bonus deer gun season 24,982, statewide muzzleloader 22,871, youth gun season 8,315, misc. 976. It's estimated that 30 percent of vertical archers also use crossbows.

Virginia: Crossbows were legalized for all deer hunters in 2005. By the 2008 season, an estimated 16-20 percent of vertical archers had switched to crossbows or were using vertical gear and crossbows. Virginia's combined 70,000 bow and crossbow hunters represent less than 30 percent of total deer hunters and harvest about 10 percent of the state's deer annually.

Tennessee: Crossbows are legal through the entire deer season. Total 2005-2006 harvest was 166,379: firearm 106,015, muzzleloader 33,935, traditional archery 16,346, crossbow 3,800, managed hunts/misc. 6,283.

Georgia: In the 2001-2002 season, 33 percent of deer hunters hunted with traditional archery equipment, 31 percent harvested a deer, and does made up 69 percent of the archery deer harvest. Crossbows were legalized in the 2002-2003 season and accounted for 12 percent of the archery harvest, 1 percent of the total harvest. In 2005-2006, 34 percent of deer hunters used combined archery equipment, 24 percent harvested a deer, does constituted 76 percent of the archery deer harvest, and crossbows accounted for 19.7 percent of the archery harvest, 2.5 of total harvest. In the 2006-2007 season 33 percent of deer hunters hunted with archery equipment, 26 percent harvested a deer, does constituted 72 percent of the archery deer harvest, and Georgia stopped tracking crossbow statistics separately, citing a lack of need.


Sources: Ohio Department of Natural Resources, Bowhunting Preservation Alliance, Virginia Department of Game and Inland Fisheries, Tennessee Wildlife Resources Agency, Georgia Department of Natural Resources, Barnett Crossbows.
John Hayes can be reached at jhayes@post-gazette.com or 412-263-1991.
First published on July 12, 2009 at 12:00 am

Source: http://www.post-gaze.../983377-358.stm
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Posted 14 July 2009 - 08:48 AM

What if a deluge of hunters takes up crossbows this fall and ends up shooting too many deer?
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Then we don't need to shoot our buck during rifle season or hunt in snowy, cold and rainy weather.
If we're successful in crossbow season, it means we won't need to be out there in rifle season, taking pressure off the woods in December.

The vast majority of deer are taken during rifle season.  There's no way a crossbow hunter will ever become "too successful" when the gun hunters are the ones who really control our harvest.

It all comes down to the permits, really.  The crossbow may simply allow me to take my buck earlier in the season...but if I don't get my buck in October, I stand a GOOD chance getting one in December with my gun.
Still, I have a permit for just (1) buck this year...and who are you to tell me when and how to fill my tag, legally?
So if they're truly concerned about too many deer being harvested, they'd decrease the antlerless deer permits or shorten the time to harvest one during rifle season.
...but that makes too much sense.

Edited by G Money, 14 July 2009 - 10:39 AM.

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