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#1 Ranger

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Posted 09 December 2009 - 07:34 PM

I told earlier about little things that can get you when you are hunting.  This is along those same lines, but it also shows the importance of taking the time to show others every detail of how things work regardless of how trivial it may seem.  It also shows what a dummy I was, but since I've lived with it all this time, it won't hurt you to live with it too.  :thumbsup:    

My dad was always working hard long hours when I was a kid, and he never got to to spend much time with my brothers and I outdoors.  He grew up in the mountains of West Virginia, and though he did a lot of small game hunting growing up, there were no deer or turkeys in that part of the country back then.  So us boys were sort of on our own trying to learn about big game hunting.  Dad did make sure we had hunting gear, and he did take me on my first deer hunt.  My granddaddy had a Remington .35 pump rifle he gave Dad to use and he took me out to shoot it.  I watched intently so as to learn how to use the gun.  He put a shell in the gun, pushed the little button that released the pump and shucked the shell up into the chamber.  He handed me the gun and told me to shoot a paper plate he had set up about 50 yards away.  The rifle had open sights, so I put the front sight into the vee, lined up on the target and fired.  I hit pretty close to center.  Dad said, “Good shot!”  He took the gun, and we went back inside.  I was confident I would be able to shoot a deer.  

First day of deer season found me in National Forest on a little knoll overlooking a small hollow that ran into thicket on.  As the sun lit up the area sounds of gunshots rang out all over the mountains.  It was very thrilling.  Suddenly a deer came running across the bottom with its head held way back at an extreme angle.  It entered into the thicket below.  I could not see it but could hear it in there.  Then I made out several deer in the thicket.  There were a couple of does and a spike buck came walking out the other side.  As I brought up the rifle another buck, a huge buck with big massive antlers walked out behind the spike.  I was so excited I began to shake.  But I took careful aim on the buck’s shoulder and fired.  At the shot I pulled up, however, and hit a tree behind it over his back.  All the deer froze.  

My mind went blank.  I finally realized I could shoot again.  I frantically tried to remember how the rifle worked.  I had only shot it one time.  I had not actually worked the pump except one time, and that was when I loaded it to put one in the magazine that morning.  So I did what I had done before and tried to push in the button on the rifle to release the pump so I could pump another shell to shoot.  I pushed but the button but it would not go in.  I pushed with all my might.  I could not understand why the button would not go in!  I pushed some more.  The deer stayed in place about 50 yards away.  My mind scrambled as to what was wrong.  Suddenly I realized the button was in already.  Of course!  It must have been made so that at the shot it released the button so you could work the pump and shoot again.  I grabbed that pump, pulled it down and slid it back in place, the next round went into the chamber.  “CLACK, CLACK!”  I had the gun down in front of me instead of on my shoulder, and at the sound the deer tore out of there.  Before I could reshoulder the gun they were gone out of sight.  My heart sank.  I never got another shot at a deer for two more years.  

I know I have aggravated the heck out of some people when I attempt to show them how to use something they are not familiar with.  I make sure they understand every detail even if it is something so obvious it seems childish to bring it up.  I know Dad did his best to make sure I could hit a deer, but the best lesson I got from that time was how important it is to understand everything about the tool you are working with in order to keep from having major disappointments over something little.
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Posted 09 December 2009 - 07:55 PM

That was a good story and an important lesson.  There are little tricks to everything that are important to remember.  One of mine was to remember to take the scope caps off:rolleyes::thumbsup:.
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Posted 09 December 2009 - 09:05 PM

ha ha yaa i fond out the hard way that rossbows dont like to be dryfired37$

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 02:13 AM

Ranger that reminds me...when i was about 16 i tried to start deer hunting, i was given permission to hunt a real good place. i had put up a stand in the edge of a thicket behind a field..i had my uncles winchester mod. 100  308 rifle that i had never picked up before, he gave me some bullets for it..when i got there i loaded the gun not knowing you had to let the chamber slam shut i eased it shut so it would be quiet..after not seeing anything and not being patient i got out of the stand and stepped into the field and there not 35yds. away was a fine 8pt. standing broadside with his head facing me..i took aim and fired but the gun snapped so i eased out the shell and eased in another..snapped again..i went thru the whole clip and they all snapped..i knelt down and began to pick them up 1by1 and they still snapped..the deer has not moved in all this time..it is like he is dumb and curious..all the primers looked like they had been hit..in frustration i jumped up and ran at that deer waving my hat and ran him off, yelling at him..got to my uncles told him the gun was no good..he went outside shot it 4 times rapid fire, it did fine..all i had to do was let the breech slam shut and it would have been okay..dont know whatever happened to that deer, never saw him again...oh well, live and learn............
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Posted 10 December 2009 - 10:07 AM

A great story with lessons to be learned. Thanks for sharing.

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 11:02 AM

Yes, it's all in the details and repetition. But even then, something can go wrong. My husband took me target shooting his Remington 6 mil he wanted me to shoot if I ever decided to take a deer. He had this gun for many years but never really did much hunting with it. I had only watched deer up until three years ago. I was, it surprisingly turned out, a accurate shooter. Being in law enforcement, he made sure I was always safe with the gun, he repeated it over and over and never hesitated to point out to me every detail of proceedure, at first it was annoying and then came the time it was God's blessing. We had just returned to the truck after sitting in a stand with no deer coming in. He was having me unload the Remington which I had already done several times before. Luckily he was standing behind me, looking over my shoulder, I had the gun barrel pointing away from us and  pointing downward. To unload I had to take the safety off and pull the bolt up. As soon as I took the safety off, the gun discharged....I went into a state of shock as did my husband. He didn't yell at me, but he admonished me that I had my finger on the trigger. I looked at my shootong finger and it was extended straight out along the stock and I said no, it just went off, of course he said that was impossible. Well, I cried for an hour straight, I'd stop, think about it and would start sobbing all over again. I was a mess. I had just about decided I would never hunt again. I just could not wrap my mind around it. Then later as he was shooting it at a target, as he lifted the bolt to chamber another round, barrel pointing safely away, the gun discharged. We just stared at each other in disbelief. He took it into his favorite gunsmith and he told us this was the exact model that Remington had lost a lawsuit over, this model had a defective trigger mechanism and caused the death of a child. I was so relieved to finally know that indeed I did not have my finger on the trigger, all that safety training, there is still that freak time when something goes wrong.THe gunsmith put  an all new trigger assembly in, we took it out and sighted it in and so far, all is well.  So. the lesson I have learned is to always be safe, never trust the safety. Whether it with a crossbow or gun, it is only as safe as the hunter, never, ever take a weapon for granted. I am still learning about the fine art and skill of hunting, and this forum is the place to learn, however the one lesson engraved in my brain is to watch where my weapon is pointing at all times, my finger is out of harms way, whether I think it's unloaded or not, an arrow notched or not, treat it like it is loaded. So three years, 9 deer and one Axis deer later, I love to hunt for deer, my favorite weapon of choice is my crossbow, I feel a more intimate connection with it. I shot my Axis with that Remington, but I prefer a twack to a boom.

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 11:36 AM

Hunting Gal, as soon as you mentioned the Remington going off without your finger on the trigger I knew what had happened.  I remember that incident about that poor child.  I'm glad you shared that story with us.  We always need to be on our toes where safety is concerned.
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Posted 10 December 2009 - 12:11 PM

Hahaha great story, but everybody makes mistakes. That is why we are human. And those who say that they don't make mistakes, i don't believe that.
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Posted 10 December 2009 - 01:24 PM

Yes, Ranger, when I took the course to obtain my Conceled Handgun license, that is one of the strongest points the instructor stressed. It's that "with great power comes great responsibility" thing. We have power in our hands, and with it responsilility.

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 06:24 PM

Great stories gang. It's what makes this forum so special.
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Posted 10 December 2009 - 07:10 PM

are parker xbows very good compaired to ten point and excal.

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 09:22 PM

Good stories!  Huntinggal yours is very important never rely soley on a mechanical device for your safety. My kids get tired of hearing it.

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Posted 11 December 2009 - 12:08 PM

LOL! Been there done that, and if this typing could get smaller so it couldn't be read well, I'd proly do it. I just had that same experience while dove hunting, going from my semi auto shotgun to the pump shot gun, and no safety. First time to pull the hammer back with my thumb, it slipped off and shot into the air THANK GOD.
Then, quickly trying to reload, I did the same thing as you! Got frustrated with the gun and Butch walked over and showed me what I did, and I felt very dumb. So, I put the gun up and refuse to use it. He has to buy me a new Semi auto now and that's my Christmas. the end.

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Posted 13 December 2009 - 12:44 PM

Great story! The gun cabinet beside me has MY grandfathers old .35 Remington pump in it so I know exactly the button you are talking about!

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Posted 13 December 2009 - 05:41 PM

Texaslawdawg said:

Great story! The gun cabinet beside me has MY grandfathers old .35 Remington pump in it so I know exactly the button you are talking about!

How about that?  Hopefully you never had the same problem I did!  HA!  Those are great guns.  My dad still has that rifle and hunts with it from time to time.  Do you hunt with your grandfather's gun any?
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Posted 13 December 2009 - 05:43 PM

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lol! Been there done that, and if this typing could get smaller so it couldn't be read well, i'd proly do it. I just had that same experience while dove hunting, going from my semi auto shotgun to the pump shot gun, and no safety. First time to pull the hammer back with my thumb, it slipped off and shot into the air thank god.
Then, quickly trying to reload, i did the same thing as you! Got frustrated with the gun and butch walked over and showed me what i did, and i felt very dumb. So, i put the gun up and refuse to use it. He has to buy me a new semi auto now and that's my christmas. The end.

come again?  What was that?  I can't hear what you're saying!  :D
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Posted 13 December 2009 - 05:48 PM

I was at my sons wrestling match yesterday, their squad had a bye going into the finals so I figuered I would hurry out and sit in the stand for a couple hours, got to the stand an reailized if forgot to remove the trigger lock. Ran back and got the key but Did not see any deer anyway the farmer was harvesting the corn fields spooked them all i guess.

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Posted 13 December 2009 - 08:36 PM

I haven't used it in about 10 years but I used to use it quite a bit when I needed a south texas brush gun.

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Posted 14 December 2009 - 12:10 PM

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come again?  What was that?  I can't hear what you're saying!  :D

Ha ha! Butch used the gun this weekend and it has two shells stuck. Went to look for parts and we found out it was made in 1897. So, it's older than dirt. No wonder it didn't have to new fandangled super safety for dummies like me on it!
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Posted 14 December 2009 - 12:15 PM

Guide Girl said:

Ha ha! Butch used the gun this weekend and it has two shells stuck. Went to look for parts and we found out it was made in 1897. So, it's older than dirt. No wonder it didn't have to new fandangled super safety for dummies like me on it!
Maybe not that old.
That sounds like a model 1897,they stopped making them in the middle nineteen fifties.
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