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[Hoss]

All,
Stay tuned, I will be releasing the rules as soon as I can.

[Guide Girl]

Very nice work! Are you shooting? If so, what? Inquiring minds would love to know.

[tryinhardarcher]

I just spoke to the ASA, and yes x-bows are in for KY June 4-6. This is going to be a test run so to speak, so we need to get as many shooters as possible.
The rules are tenative right now;
1) screw in points
2) 6 x scope max
3)  scopes must be cross hair or mill dots " no tacticle type"
4) 300 fps
5) 40 yard max all unknown

Lets get the word out, and the shooter count up. Time to step up to the plate and help promote our sport.

[Urban Legend]

That's great news.

[Tenpoint TL-9]

That's great to hear. Is a steddyeddy monopod allowed. It's a must item for me to shoot good with.

[tryinhardarcher]

Im not sure, but I would have to say no. Im prety sure it will be freehand shooting.

[Gimmy]

Very, very happy for all crossbow hunters in your area.  It's a start.

[vaguru]

Wow, that's a BIG change from just a few months ago when I emailed them asking if they were going to allow xbows.  Don't have to tell you the answer now do I.

Well, I think it's a good thing they are allowing it as a trial run, but.....

The rules as posted above......just shot themselves in the foot!  300fps max?  This will really hurt the attendance, even if IBO shooters wanted to go, very few still shoot that SLOW!  Oh goody, I get to buy another bow, NOT!

What is it with these organizations that concede the xbow inclusion, then overly limit what can be used.  Seems that they would have looked at what other organizations are allowing, then followed suit, somewhat.

I would love to go to this shoot, and I DO HAVE a bow that would be legal for the above rules, but there is an IBO State shoot that weekend I would prefer to go to.  

I doubt there will be many xbowers at this shoot, but would love to go.  JMHO

[Urban Legend]

I shot ASA for years with my vert bows and the speed cap for them is 280FPS.  I like having a speed cap, but agree that 300 might be too slow.  What a speed cap does is lets a guy who has an older bow or maybe an entry level crossbow come in and have a chance of competing.  If there was no speed cap, your average hunter that had a crossbow that shot slow, would feel like they were just wasting time and money if some guys are shooting 400FPS.

[tryinhardarcher]

I agree that the speed limt should be there, but NOT 300. As I stated these rules are tenative and with input, and atendance can be changed. I am trying to get the limit raised before the event, so please give some input. Where does everyone think it should be ?
We have a great opertunity here,lets suport it and make it as good as possible.

[Tenpoint TL-9]

My hunting crossbow shoots around 265fps with a 450gr. arrow. I like my slow shooting crossbow. It still gets the job done for me up to 40 yards. I don't know what would be a fair max speed.

[buckeye]

300 fps is a good starting point. If you raise it people who cant get the higher speed will try with lighter arrows. I have seen it done at ASA tournaments before. I had a friend who shoot in florida in febuary with me  with our vertical bows was shooting 318fps. When he was asked to shoot thru a crono he pulled out his heavier arrow and shoot 283fps. To me if you keep it round 300fps it is safer and beginners just getting in the sport of [archery] xbow shooting wont be at a disadvantge in yard judging compared to someone shooting a higher fps who just started shooting a xbow also.

[vaguru]

My honest opinion for a speed cap is the same as "we", the xbow shooters of IBO, requested for that organization, 325 fps.

I also don't like/understand the scope rule. Does "tactical" mean target turrets?  Does that mean I can use an Optimizer?  Can I use a circle or loop reticle?  Can a variable power scope be used?  Tough questions.

I would like more "refined" rules, explaining what is meant by their terms.

I would like to show up for this shoot, but as mentioned, I have an IBO State shoot I would prefer to attend.  If that should fall through, then I might consider attending.

[tryinhardarcher]

My understanding from talking to the ASA, and this is just the way I took it not gospel. There would be no scope adjustments allowed, be it power or distance. The power being the same as IBO (you cant adjust it on the course) and the other being alot more fair for the average person shooting stock equipment. Again this is just my interpetation of what I was told and rules are still being finalized.

[Hoss]

TenpointTL-7 100# said:

That's great to hear. Is a steddyeddy monopod allowed. It's a must item for me to shoot good with.

TenpointTL-7,
Sorry, no brace.
You can only rest the elbow on the rib cage if needed.  No wrapping of the sling.  Only shoot standing.

[Hoss]

vaguru said:

My honest opinion for a speed cap is the same as "we", the xbow shooters of IBO, requested for that organization, 325 fps.

I also don't like/understand the scope rule. Does "tactical" mean target turrets?  Does that mean I can use an Optimizer?  Can I use a circle or loop reticle?  Can a variable power scope be used?  Tough questions.

I would like more "refined" rules, explaining what is meant by their terms.

I would like to show up for this shoot, but as mentioned, I have an IBO State shoot I would prefer to attend.  If that should fall through, then I might consider attending.

Guru,

Hogman and I tried for more speed, but this is their starting point we agreed to.  300 FPS for this, or we may have lost the whole thing all together.  I hope we can have a great number show so that the A.S.A. will add this class, as well as another class that is like "Crossbow Open".  A.S.A. could set a rule that states once you win "Hunter Crossbow", or win the purse min. for the year, you are sent to "Crossbow Open" to compete in the A.S.A. never to return to Hunter Crossbow.  The A.S.A. is good for that, and I like the rule.

I would hope as this class grows, the Crossbow Open class opens up the speed, optics, and whatever else to make it more beneficial for different equipment manufacturers, and more so the Shooter.  This takes attendance first.

Roy, I know you would almost have to be behind this to get it off the ground.  (I assume this from your competative nature, and love of shooting.)  The A.S.A. and shooters will need everyones opinions, and most of all participation to make this fly.

I think the IBO has the beginnings for setting divisions now using their speed break-out.  I believe they are only reacting to the amount of participation we are giving them.  If we have a min amount of shooters show, why should we expect a max amount of responce?  Both organizations would love to have the issue of "Damn, what do we do to keep our ??? number of Crossbow shooters happy.  Thats alot of people."

I have to say to all, not just Guru: Rick "Hogman" St. Louis from Fla put alot of time into this.  I am glad he asked me to help him.  If it were not for him, this would not be happening in M.H.O.  This could be very good for the IBO and the A.S.A., but we the crossbow shooters can be the ones to benefit the most.

[Buck Buster]

good for you overthere Hoss. Keep us posted.

[tryinhardarcher]

The rules have been posted on the ASA site.Go to the user forum to find them.

[Hoss]

McKenzie ASA Pro/Am
Crossbow Exhibition Class
London, KY – June 5, 2010
The Archery Shooters Association is pleased to offer the growing number of crossbow enthusiasts an opportunity to participate in a 40 target 3-D exhibition competition at our London, KY Pro/am. There will be two classes offered based on bow speed, Crossbow Class and Manufacturers Class.

Date: June 5, 2010

Entry Fee: $30.00 (plus a $5.00 non-member fee if not a current ASA member)

Payback: 70% of entry fees to top 20% of field.

Shooting Times: Round One, 20 Targets – 8:00 AM
Round Two, 20 Targets – 3:00 PM

Shooting Distance: 40 yards, Known distance

All ASA Pro/Am Rules will be in force except as may be modified or defined as follows:

Crossbow Class Rules:
1. Crossbows must be in sound working condition with a working safety.
2. Maximum poundage is 175 pounds.
3. Maximum arrow speed:
a. Crossbow Class - 300 fps with a 3% variance.
b. Manufacturer’s Class - 330 fps with a 3% variance.
4. No modifications to the crossbow are allowed. Crossbows are to be stock models with the exception of strings and cables.
5. Scopes may be used at 6X or less and may be equipped with lines or mills dots. No light or image may be projected onto the target, and there can be no range finding capability.
6. Crossbows may only be shot while in a standing position.
7. The use of any device or outside agency including wrapping the sling around the arm, hooked butt-plates, palm rests, stabilizer bars, or a prop stick that allows the mass weight of the bow to be relieved from either arm or to steady the bow while shooting is prohibited. The use of the forward elbow against the archer’s rib cage / side is permitted.
8. Arrows must be identical in weight with a minimum of three (3) vanes.
9. Crossbows may only be cocked and loaded while the Archer is at the stake. While the crossbow is loaded it must remain pointed down range at all times.

[vaguru]

Now that is much better!  You really make it hard on me with the Maunfactures class.  It's really sad I can't be there for this "maiden voyage".  

Quick question though, is the Excal Varizone scope legal?