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[razorback5]

(3)        Crossbow. – A mechanical device consisting of, but not limited to, strings, cables, and prods transversely mounted on either a shoulder or hand‑held stock. This device is mechanically held at full or partial draw and released by a trigger or similar mechanism that is incorporated into a stock or handle. When operated, the crossbow discharges a projectile known as a bolt.

Does a recurve crossbow meet this definition?

Any opinions?

[ChoctawBusGuy]

razorback5, on 10 July 2010 - 09:10 PM, said:

(3)        Crossbow. – A mechanical device consisting of, but not limited to, strings, cables, and prods transversely mounted on either a shoulder or hand‑held stock. This device is mechanically held at full or partial draw and released by a trigger or similar mechanism that is incorporated into a stock or handle. When operated, the crossbow discharges a projectile known as a bolt.

Does a recurve crossbow meet this definition?

Any opinions?

Why wouldn't it??

[Hoosier Hunter]

razorback5, on 10 July 2010 - 09:10 PM, said:

(3)        Crossbow. – A mechanical device consisting of, but not limited to, strings, cables, and prods transversely mounted on either a shoulder or hand‑held stock. This device is mechanically held at full or partial draw and released by a trigger or similar mechanism that is incorporated into a stock or handle. When operated, the crossbow discharges a projectile known as a bolt.

Does a recurve crossbow meet this definition?

Any opinions?

" but not limited to" is a catch all.

Where did you get this definition?

[razorback5]

North Carolina general statutes

[StoredEnergy]

razorback5, on 10 July 2010 - 09:10 PM, said:

(3)        Crossbow. – A mechanical device consisting of, but not limited to, strings, cables, and prods transversely mounted on either a shoulder or hand‑held stock. This device is mechanically held at full or partial draw and released by a trigger or similar mechanism that is incorporated into a stock or handle. When operated, the crossbow discharges a projectile known as a bolt.

Does a recurve crossbow meet this definition?

Any opinions?

Yes, your recurve is a crossbow.  

prods transversely mounted = bow (front end) with recurve limbs
released by a trigger= trigger mounted into stock
a shoulder or hand‑held stock = that which you hold

The bolt word irritates me because people have been misusing that word for too long. If it has fletchings it is an arrow or to be technical a quarrel (an arrow shot from a crossbow).

The word bolt is only used to make the crossbow not appear to be an "archery" device.

[bob1961]

well lets spread the word to stop using the term bolt then, if they really are arrows....how's that for a noval idea    ....i correct people in posts that use bolt as they are really describing arrows, as they don't have a hex head and external threads on them to hold stuff together    ........bob

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[xbow755]

bob1961, on 25 July 2010 - 10:01 AM, said:

well lets spread the word to stop using the term bolt then, if they really are arrows....how's that for a noval idea    ....i correct people in posts that use bolt as they are really describing arrows, as they don't have a hex head and external threads on them to hold stuff together    ........bob

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One slight correction is in order on this subject. Whilst I agree that the term "Bolt" is incorrect as it is ued for today's crossbows, the bolt was a correct term during medieval times. If you look up what a crossbow bolt was in those days, it was a 9 inch long dowel made of wood or metal. It contained no feathers or vanes for steering, therefore it was in fact a true bolt.

Today's crossbows all fire arrows. The classification is not dependent on the length of what they are shooting, but rather weather or not it is a projectile that contains vanes or feathers. The proper term for what all modern age crossbows are shooting are arrows.

Even the Cambodian Crossbows from the 1960's and 1970's all shoot arrows made of Bamboo and they were used for generations by their people for hunting.  Their Bamboo arrows all have vanes or feathers that are tied on, but they are extremely accurate and deadly.

Xbow755

[Lightfoot]

razorback5, on 12 July 2010 - 09:10 AM, said:

North Carolina general statutes

Sure sounds like my inswinger torsion "crossbow" meets with their crossbow definition. Its even broad enuff for a recurve crossbow LOL.

[jopsa]

razorback5, on 10 July 2010 - 09:10 PM, said:

prods transversely mounted on either a shoulder or hand‑held stock.

my English is poor... but...I understood that crossbows with "parallel limbs" are something else, no crossbows

[Lightfoot]

xbow755, on 04 October 2011 - 01:12 AM, said:

One slight correction is in order on this subject. Whilst I agree that the term "Bolt" is incorrect as it is ued for today's crossbows, the bolt was a correct term during medieval times. If you look up what a crossbow bolt was in those days, it was a 9 inch long dowel made of wood or metal. It contained no feathers or vanes for steering, therefore it was in fact a true bolt.

Today's crossbows all fire arrows. The classification is not dependent on the length of what they are shooting, but rather weather or not it is a projectile that contains vanes or feathers. The proper term for what all modern age crossbows are shooting are arrows.

Even the Cambodian Crossbows from the 1960's and 1970's all shoot arrows made of Bamboo and they were used for generations by their people for hunting.  Their Bamboo arrows all have vanes or feathers that are tied on, but they are extremely accurate and deadly.

Xbow755

hmmmm. Interesting. So whats a bolt with fins?: http://wattsunique.com/blog/?p=473

Clearly the fellow who wrote that definition did not take the 2000 year old Durabolt construction into account. Here maple wooden fins were used.

[dropzone]

bob1961, on 25 July 2010 - 10:01 AM, said:

well lets spread the word to stop using the term bolt then, if they really are arrows....how's that for a noval idea    ....i correct people in posts that use bolt as they are really describing arrows, as they don't have a hex head and external threads on them to hold stuff together    ........bob

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It's going to be hard to stop people from using the word bolt when referring to a crossbow arrow. When we can go to most and manufacture web sight that sales crossbow supplies and they are calling them bolts.

[xbow755]

dropzone, on 09 October 2011 - 07:11 AM, said:

It's going to be hard to stop people from using the word bolt when referring to a crossbow arrow. When we can go to most and manufacture web sight that sales crossbow supplies and they are calling them bolts.

They'd call them "tires" if "we", the consumers insisted on it.  

Remember the old saying "The Customer is Always Right"!  It should not be them correcting us, it should always be us insisting on what we want. If we set the standard, they'll follow!

Regards,

Xbow755