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Just a little over a week from now....
 

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It seems every year lately has been some big surprises,so it should be fun here reading all the comments on the new releases! I'm not in the market for a new bow this year,BUT i'm watching for some new crossbow scopes to hit the market! It seems optics fell a little behind and i'm anxious to see if they catch up this year!
 

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I think there are some great scopes out there. Its strings and cables that need to catch up to the speed and power of the new xbows.
Not for the faster bows unless you want to dial them to the max!
 

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Not for the faster bows unless you want to dial them to the max!
Was under the impression that people really liked the evox ,and the Sig Sauer Sierra. Do not have a 450 fps xbow so would not know. Have seen lots of complaints on strings ,cables and serving from multiple brands. What is duke shooting on his scorpyd. He is a professional deer assassin.
 

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Was under the impression that people really liked the evox ,and the Sig Sauer Sierra. Do not have a 450 fps xbow so would not know. Have seen lots of complaints on strings ,cables and serving from multiple brands. What is duke shooting on his scorpyd. He is a professional deer assassin.
I have a Leupold on my Nemesis 480 now,but have to use the jackplate with a rifle scope. I'd prefer a regular crossbow scope with great glass and reticle with aiming points,WITHOUT have to set the mag all the way up. I don't want to be at 6 or 8 power on a 20/30 yard shot......
 

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I have a Leupold on my Nemesis 480 now,but have to use the jackplate with a rifle scope. I'd prefer a regular crossbow scope with great glass and reticle with aiming points,WITHOUT have to set the mag all the way up. I don't want to be at 6 or 8 power on a 20/30 yard shot......
Hope you find what your looking for.
 

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And here I sit.....perfectly content with my little 400 FPS hunting crossbow, mated up with a little Zeiss Z-Point 1x red dot sitting on an HHA Optimizer dialed in for up to 80 yard shots. Even after having been with Zeiss for 30 years, with access to a multitude of premium optics, I don’t see the need for big heavy scopes since virtually all my deer hunting crossbow shots will be within 75 yards.

I can understand, though, how some hunters want what they consider the ultimate in everything to increase the ease of killing a deer. A 1-10x scope with adjustable multi reticle, including auto ranging illuminated dot, so the shooter doesn’t even have to guess or manually range the shot distance, would probably be the hot lick For those that could afford it. Who knows? Maybe that will be a reality sooner than later.
 

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I think it will be interesting to see the latest and greatest in order to see the direction the industry is headed. Normally, especially with crossbows, getting the latest and greatest involves some risk and a lot of money.

Just a guess, but I expect that <1% of buyers are buying crossbows costing in the top 10% . I also expect that well over 10% of Crossbow problems come from the top 10% cost-wise.

Parker failed. It will likely not be the last crossbow company to do so. This is a hard industry.

Buying like new used models that have proven themselves and having good reputations, last year’s models, used models or keeping what you have and upgrading accessories can be a lot more cost effective. The most cost effective action may just be getting better at using what we have .
 

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I think it will be interesting to see the latest and greatest in order to see the direction the industry is headed. Normally, especially with crossbows, getting the latest and greatest involves some risk and a lot of money.

Just a guess, but I expect that <1% of buyers are buying crossbows costing in the top 10% . I also expect that well over 10% of Crossbow problems come from the top 10% cost-wise.

Parker failed. It will likely not be the last crossbow company to do so. This is a hard industry.

Buying like new used models that have proven themselves and having good reputations, last year’s models, used models or keeping what you have and upgrading accessories can be a lot more cost effective. The most cost effective action may just be getting better at using what we have .
Been trying to make the one I have better.little tweets here and there.
 

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And here I sit.....perfectly content with my little 400 FPS hunting crossbow, mated up with a little Zeiss Z-Point 1x red dot sitting on an HHA Optimizer dialed in for up to 80 yard shots. Even after having been with Zeiss for 30 years, with access to a multitude of premium optics, I don’t see the need for big heavy scopes since virtually all my deer hunting crossbow shots will be within 75 yards.

I can understand, though, how some hunters want what they consider the ultimate in everything to increase the ease of killing a deer. A 1-10x scope with adjustable multi reticle, including auto ranging illuminated dot, so the shooter doesn’t even have to guess or manually range the shot distance, would probably be the hot lick For those that could afford it. Who knows? Maybe that will be a reality sooner than later.
Moon me as well. I'm very satisfied with my Barnett TS370. Does everything I want and I'm just now getting into my 2020 BearX Constrictor that shoots 400grn arrows 400fps. Doing that for chit and giggles because I like it's general narrow design. How narrow do we need to go? Our wallets dictate that in a free market.

ATA is a hyperbole to me. I got sucked into it last year. Nada again!

As for 75 yards I can see that in the right situation but if you are in a tree stand covered with limbs that narrows the hunt down to realistic shots at 20-30 yard range. How much Xbow do we need to do that?

I think OEM marketing continues to re-invent the wheel. I ask for who's benefit? It's like the search for the holy grail experience, et. all. .:D;)

All said, hunting is a wide chasm of hunting styles and approaches. Private land, hunting over corn, you can't bait, costly outfitter high fence camps and DIY public land hunts..... I guess pic your poison. To me there is NO perfect Xbow. They are tools nothing more and made for those that will spend crazy prices to allow the Xbow hunter to actualize each persons hunting enjoyment. Nothing wrong with that. Keep shootin'. To me the is the holy grail.
 

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Some must have the fastest and biggest in the woods and that is ok. Getting a nice buck still depends on skill, experience, planning, and some measure of luck. There are exceptions but dumb ass luck only goes so far!! I have seen some enter the woods with the best equipment available and fail miserably when hunting.

I've seen many guys hunt whitetails here in Oklahoma with the big magnums where shots over a hundred yards are rare. In contrast my little 30-30 is quite the deer gun and shoots 1 1/2 inch groups at 100 yards on a bench rest. If I hunt the plains areas I would use by Bliss Titus custom 7x57 Mauser. I've killed many antelope and mule deer with it when I lived in Wyoming. I honed my open plains shooting skills shooting prairie dogs. I have no need for the big magnums that kill on both ends!!

Good Hunting everyone!!

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7-08, 308 can each be short to long range cartridges, but neither is considered at be a hot cartridge.

For each range, the rifle could be configured differently though do it all scopes (like 3x18, etc) may make it easier to have a do it all rifle.

To me, the SWAT is the 308 of the crossbow world. It’s accuracy is as good as it gets, it is small, easily rope cocked, light, doesn’t loose accuracy even if it gets out of time (the enclosed riser), moderately fast (377/426g arrow), shoots a variety of broadheads the same(enclosed riser), and was <$700. IMO, there was a crossbow that could, “Do it all”.
Of course, I’m aware that there are a # of absolutely great crossbows.

Any arrow that is extremely well designed and constructed and shoots great at very long range will also shoot great at shorter ranges.

Optics. I still think that most dedicated crossbow scopes have a fair degree of compromise, optically, power, etc..
The Optimizer/Jack Plate/quality rifle scope, preferably parallax adjustable, still has a significant advantage, in my conviction. Quick shots? I leave my Optimizers on 30 yards, scope power on lowest (2x on one and 4.5 on the other)
and am very comfortable with any shot out to ~45 yards with no adjustment. I just see no downside to using a setup such as this, unless I would never make any shot beyond 45 yards. If that’s the limit, I’d get a good , lower power rifle scope (2x7,3x9 VXR, etc) , sight it in at 30-35 yards, and practice from 5-45 yards. That’s essentially, what I do with my Optimizer. 90% of my shots, 10-45 yards are with the Optimizer left on 30 and scope on minimum.

Different strokes for different folks.
 

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7-08, 308 can each be short to long range cartridges, but neither is considered at be a hot cartridge.

For each range, the rifle could be configured differently though do it all scopes (like 3x18, etc) may make it easier to have a do it all rifle.

To me, the SWAT is the 308 of the crossbow world. It’s accuracy is as good as it gets, it is small, easily rope cocked, light, doesn’t loose accuracy even if it gets out of time (the enclosed riser), moderately fast (377/426g arrow), shoots a variety of broadheads the same(enclosed riser), and was <$700. IMO, there was a crossbow that could, “Do it all”.
Of course, I’m aware that there are a # of absolutely great crossbows.

Any arrow that is extremely well designed and constructed and shoots great at very long range will also shoot great at shorter ranges.

Optics. I still think that most dedicated crossbow scopes have a fair degree of compromise, optically, power, etc..
The Optimizer/Jack Plate/quality rifle scope, preferably parallax adjustable, still has a significant advantage, in my conviction. Quick shots? I leave my Optimizers on 30 yards, scope power on lowest (2x on one and 4.5 on the other)
and am very comfortable with any shot out to ~45 yards with no adjustment. I just see no downside to using a setup such as this, unless I would never make any shot beyond 45 yards. If that’s the limit, I’d get a good , lower power rifle scope (2x7,3x9 VXR, etc) , sight it in at 30-35 yards, and practice from 5-45 yards. That’s essentially, what I do with my Optimizer. 90% of my shots, 10-45 yards are with the Optimizer left on 30 and scope on minimum.

Different strokes for different folks.
Similarly at zero dot 30 I have extreme quick lock on confidence with my 2MOA Sig Sauer Romeo5 motion activated sight and I can cover distances confidently out to 70 plus yards when I go west.
 
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Choice of optics for crossbows covers a very wide range, for sure.

I remember standing in the hunt club yard years ago and 3 guys were talking about scopes for their groundhog rifles. One guy was saying how great his Tasco scope was:p:p.
 
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