I have been debating on a set of high end Bino's lately,but after today,my mind is made up! I was between Zeiss and Swavro"s. I looked up local dealers for Zeiss today to see if any of them carried the Victory line,no luck. Out of the 4 I did get hold of, one had the Conquest, and the rest of them said they didn't sell them anymore,but Zeiss won't remove them from their dealer site,one laughed and said he hadn't sold them for about 8 years,LOL. Then I tried to call their USA headquarters and never got an answer. So, I tried Swaro locator and was able to walk right in a dealers store and look at their top of the line,no problem. Guess what i'm buying myself for Xmass soon? Swaroski 8x42 EL! My next rifle scope will also be of the same maker......Not spending big money if I can't look at them first!