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:)My annual post.

For every car featured in Car and Driver and Road and Track, there are likely 100s, 1,000s or 10,000s of Accords, Camrys, others that are sold for every one of the featured cars.

Are these cars the top in any performance category? Very rarely. But when all characteristics are rated, the Accord, occasionally Camry, generally has the highest total. Near the top rating in virtually every category but rarely the top in any. Still it has been in Car and Driver’s top ten vehicles more than any other vehicle. It’s even mentioned in the Bible (Acts 2:1 (KJV) And when the day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one Accord in one place).

Edmond’s has repeatedly stated, “ If you want a virtually trouble free car for 200,000 miles, get a Camry”.

What’s all this have to do with crossbows? A lot!! There are a lot of Accords and Camrys out there. Crossbows with moderate performance, well proven, excellent warranties, reasonable cost, etc. Ten Point has a # of these, I’m convinced the SWAT and some other KIs are in this group, a # of Excaliburs, etc. What we’re not now seeing on the boards are posts about the Nitro XRT, Nemesis 480, BD 440, Sub-1 XR, R29, Stealth....

What happened? On average, nothing good. Most of the people posting on these models don’t even own them now!

So, later this week, there’ll be a lot of buzz about the fastest new models and very little about the ones that will likely give the greatest value and satisfaction. The cheapest crossbow I own is my SWAT, my next crossbow up cost twice as much (BD400 -an excellent Crossbow) and the next one is one that cost three times as much (Aculeus 460 - an incredible crossbow). However the greatest satisfaction and gets 90+ % of the hunting time - the SWAT. Rope cockable, light, small , trouble-free, same string >1,300 shots/hundreds of hours cocked, etc...

So, this ATA consider looking low to mid-level where the greatest values are.
 

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Sew, Love my Nemesis and R15(kinda like you with your Aculeous & Swat). Both were first year high end crossbows & I bought them to last. I was also hoping for a newer Swat Gen 2 based on Old Flyer’s new design but to no avail in 2019. Right now the DeathStalker looks like the best real bargain among most crossbows as a hunting machine. Can’t deny I like some speed though because most of my hunting is out west where KE plays a role in trying to have total penetration at more then typical tree stand shot distances. A 440 DS with Barnsdale limbs moving a 400 grain arrow at 425-430FPS would be the optimum for carrying around out west. Then again maybe there will be a surprise and the Swat Gen 2 will show up.
 

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My wife and I each have a new Subaru. What does this have to do with any new bows at the ATA show?
Sorry, I'm getting older and don't remember. I'd type some more, but I gotta go take a whiz again.
In reality, comparing Accords, Camrys and Subaru. If you think the first two have the greatest ownership satisfaction, you’d likely be wrong. Actually, I haven’t checked the statistics, but I expect it’s the Subaru.
The Subaru and the SWAT have a lot in common. One of these commonalities is Jeff Anderson.
 

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In reality, comparing Accords, Camrys and Subaru. If you think the first two have the greatest ownership satisfaction, you’d likely be wrong. Actually, I haven’t checked the statistics, but I expect it’s the Subaru.
The Subaru and the SWAT have a lot in common. One of these commonalities is Jeff Anderson.
Who's Jeff Anderson. You mean there are 2 of us with such a wonderful name?
 

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:)My annual post.

For every car featured in Car and Driver and Road and Track, there are likely 100s, 1,000s or 10,000s of Accords, Camrys, others that are sold for every one of the featured cars.

Are these cars the top in any performance category? Very rarely. But when all characteristics are rated, the Accord, occasionally Camry, generally has the highest total. Near the top rating in virtually every category but rarely the top in any. Still it has been in Car and Driver’s top ten vehicles more than any other vehicle. It’s even mentioned in the Bible (Acts 2:1 (KJV) And when the day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one Accord in one place).

Edmond’s has repeatedly stated, “ If you want a virtually trouble free car for 200,000 miles, get a Camry”.

What’s all this have to do with crossbows? A lot!! There are a lot of Accords and Camrys out there. Crossbows with moderate performance, well proven, excellent warranties, reasonable cost, etc. Ten Point has a # of these, I’m convinced the SWAT and some other KIs are in this group, a # of Excaliburs, etc. What we’re not now seeing on the boards are posts about the Nitro XRT, Nemesis 480, BD 440, Sub-1 XR, R29, Stealth....

What happened? On average, nothing good. Most of the people posting on these models don’t even own them now!

So, later this week, there’ll be a lot of buzz about the fastest new models and very little about the ones that will likely give the greatest value and satisfaction. The cheapest crossbow I own is my SWAT, my next crossbow up cost twice as much (BD400 -an excellent Crossbow) and the next one is one that cost three times as much (Aculeus 460 - an incredible crossbow). However the greatest satisfaction and gets 90+ % of the hunting time - the SWAT. Rope cockable, light, small , trouble-free, same string >1,300 shots/hundreds of hours cocked, etc...

So, this ATA consider looking low to mid-level where the greatest values are.

I shoot a CenterPoint. My wife drives a new Camry. My daughter drives my wife's old Accord. I drive a Tundra.
That's all I got to say about that.
 

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Hondas, … Camrys and Subarus? I hope my yawn doesn't turn into an upchuck! :p;)
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Duke, in that first picture , which has higher maintenance: the Ferrari or the girl?

Speed? What a choice for a picture! The F-15 Strike Eagle which followed the F111F at MHAFB, ID had a top Speed about 500 Kts slower than the F111F. All those F-15 speeds quoted are for the single seat, fighter version at altitude. In reality, in what really mattered, the F-15 E was about 100kts slower at low level and had close to 1/2 the range. Strange choice for “speed”. Picture looks good, though.

The primary factor in a successful attack is “surprise”. ‘Speed” is just icing on the cake. (My opinion)
 

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Duke, in that first picture , which has higher maintenance: the Ferrari or the girl?

Speed? What a choice for a picture! The F-15 Strike Eagle which followed the F111F at MHAFB, ID had a top Speed about 500 Kts slower than the F111F. All those F-15 speeds quoted are for the single seat, fighter version at altitude. In reality, in what really mattered, the F-15 E was about 100kts slower at low level and had close to 1/2 the range. Strange choice for “speed”. Picture looks good, though.

The primary factor in a successful attack is “surprise”. ‘Speed” is just icing on the cake. (My opinion)
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