[No1Rackmaster]

get some executioner shafts 20" spine matched and indexed from South shore Archery
then get 110 grain brass insert in there, with thier universal nock bushing.
Use spin wings or vantec 3.18" vanes

thats a really good load for this bow. Your speed will drop down to a 438 ish

 

[Ludy]

get some executioner shafts 20" spine matched and indexed from South shore Archery
then get 110 grain brass insert in there, with thier universal nock bushing.
Use spin wings or vantec 3.18" vanes

thats a really good load for this bow. Your speed will drop down to a 438 ish

If you are going with southshore, you would be better off with their Tapps(Black Eagle Zombies) My Zombies that I built for my 29X weigh 500 grains with a 125 grain head included.

 

[frederick d. be]

get some executioner shafts 20" spine matched and indexed from South shore Archery
then get 110 grain brass insert in there, with thier universal nock bushing.
Use spin wings or vantec 3.18" vanes

thats a really good load for this bow. Your speed will drop down to a 438 ish

This is what I use as well but I fletched them with Blazers. I get roughly 435 fps. This really hits hard.

 

[christopher]

get a hold of @WWB

 

[WWB]

Sent you a pm

 

[No1Rackmaster]

My accuracy was not so good with the taps and a 125 grain head and slowed the bow down too much for my liking.

But some folks like the heavier shaft with more foc.

 

[jon.henry755]

My accuracy was not so good with the taps and a 125 grain head and slowed the bow down too much for my liking.

But some folks like the heavier shaft with more foc.

For anyone not very familiar with the difference between Zombies and Tapps it's actually quite simple. Zombies and Tapps are one in the same arrow shaft made by Black Eagle. The significant difference between them is that Tapps start their life out as full length 36" Zombie Shafts. They are then cut down to size by the shop. Eric will remove the excess length from either or both sides or whichever side has the most runout to get the absolute straightest shaft possible from the blank. Next, the Tapps are perfectly squared on both ends which ensures a perfect end for installing the inserts. Next, inserts are bonded in or shipped loose upon request.

If a lighter shaft is preferred you can always request lighter inserts at the time of order.

One of the major mistakes being made by most shooters is the fact that when they are ordering their arrows or shafts from South Shore is they don't have enough knowledge or experience to understand just how vital it is to order 'Tightly Spne Matched Arrows / Shafts" In the field of archery Spine Matching is the single most important criteria in the sport to control arrow shot to shot accuracy. More experienced archers will tell you they will not shoot arrows unless they have been properly spine matched. This can not be done after arrows have been purchased. They must be sorted and matched during the selection process and to be very specific this step is all about testing and matching the entire deflection range of each shaft within a group to ensure their is as little deviation between shafts as possible.

When you are buying store bought arrows you have absolutely no idea what the deflection range is between any two arrows. Therefore you couldn't possibly have any idea how closely each arrow is designed to fly compared to any other arrow in your quiver. Eric at South Shore will perform this critical step if you request it. He can also perform other tuning steps such as weight balancing if requested. The more you learn about the important steps in arrow building the more your shooting performance will improve.

By the way, 125 grain broadheads are not very important when in fact they may not work well or balance your particular crossbow configuration. Some owners think heavier is better, but that's only true when penetration is their highest priority. Accuracy has little to do with penetration. Also, many broadheads do not fly well due to their design so the objective is to first find a make and model of a broadhead that flies very well at longer distances of 50 to 60 yards. If it does that you can be certain it will fly very well at all distances closer than than. Look for a broadhead that flies as true as your field points do.

Hopefully you'll find this information helpful to improve your shooting.

 

[EasternRacks]

For anyone not very familiar with the difference between Zombies and Tapps it's actually quite simple. Zombies and Tapps are one in the same arrow shaft made by Black Eagle. The significant difference between them is that Tapps start their life out as full length 36" Zombie Shafts. They are then cut down to size by the shop. Eric will remove the excess length from either or both sides or whichever side has the most runout to get the absolute straightest shaft possible from the blank. Next, the Tapps are perfectly squared on both ends which ensures a perfect end for installing the inserts. Next, inserts are bonded in or shipped loose upon request.

If a lighter shaft is preferred you can always request lighter inserts at the time of order.

One of the major mistakes being made by most shooters is the fact that when they are ordering their arrows or shafts from South Shore is they don't have enough knowledge or experience to understand just how vital it is to order 'Tightly Spne Matched Arrows / Shafts" In the field of archery Spine Matching is the single most important criteria in the sport to control arrow shot to shot accuracy. More experienced archers will tell you they will not shoot arrows unless they have been properly spine matched. This can not be done after arrows have been purchased. They must be sorted and matched during the selection process and to be very specific this step is all about testing and matching the entire deflection range of each shaft within a group to ensure their is as little deviation between shafts as possible.

When you are buying store bought arrows you have absolutely no idea what the deflection range is between any two arrows. Therefore you couldn't possibly have any idea how closely each arrow is designed to fly compared to any other arrow in your quiver. Eric at South Shore will perform this critical step if you request it. He can also perform other tuning steps such as weight balancing if requested. The more you learn about the important steps in arrow building the more your shooting performance will improve.

By the way, 125 grain broadheads are not very important when in fact they may not work well or balance your particular crossbow configuration. Some owners think heavier is better, but that's only true when penetration is their highest priority. Accuracy has little to do with penetration. Also, many broadheads do not fly well due to their design so the objective is to first find a make and model of a broadhead that flies very well at longer distances of 50 to 60 yards. If it does that you can be certain it will fly very well at all distances closer than than. Look for a broadhead that flies as true as your field points do.

Hopefully you'll find this information helpful to improve your shooting.

Everything you’ve said is what I had Eric do with the spinal tapps he made for my mission MXB400. Me not knowing if there is a better shaft is part of the problem. The other part is I don’t want to sacrifice any of my speed. I’m planning on shooting over 60 yards and want the fastest bolt possible. I’ve found the spinal tapps broke a lot passing through a deer. $30 a deer gets to be expensive after a while.

 

[No1Rackmaster]

yep......i get my shafts from south shore and pay for the best shaft matching i can get. I usually buy 2 dozen shafts. ( your simply paying for them to sort you out some shafts that are all alike)
Then spine check them and then spine match them again into 3 groups of 8 one more time.

Then build from there with inserts that are matched to .5 grains. The rest of the stuff you can't do much about.
I sand the nock neck so that it can moved in the nock collar too. This also allows a bit of matching. Put the vane glue on with a q TIP so its very close per arrow.

I do this with spinal taps and also a set of executioners. This allows me to see what bows like what.
The last batch of tapps I used Firenock 125gr brass inserts. They are as good as you can get for inserts..........you can thank me latter.

Guys that FLY FISH tie Flys
Guys that shoot for extream accuracy, build their own arrows. (Or buy them custom)

Keep in Mind I do not need to do this every year.

So spending 1000's on a fast bow only to pitch logs of it might make sense to some.
My goal is the shoot the arrow that is as close to the 400 grain mark & still maintain heavy foc and real good accuracy. That usually lands me in the 430 to 465 grains total weight.

 

[EasternRacks]

yep......i get my shafts from south shore and pay for the best shaft matching i can get. I usually buy 2 dozen shafts. ( your simply paying for them to sort you out some shafts that are all alike)
Then spine check them and then spine match them again into 3 groups of 8 one more time.

Then build from there with inserts that are matched to .5 grains. The rest of the stuff you can't do much about.
I sand the nock neck so that it can moved in the nock collar too. This also allows a bit of matching. Put the vane glue on with a q TIP so its very close per arrow.

I do this with spinal taps and also a set of executioners. This allows me to see what bows like what.
The last batch of tapps I used Firenock 125gr brass inserts. They are as good as you can get for inserts..........you can thank me latter.

Guys that FLY FISH tie Flys
Guys that shoot for extream accuracy, build their own arrows. (Or buy them custom)

Keep in Mind I do not need to do this every year.

So spending 1000's on a fast bow only to pitch logs of it might make sense to some.
My goal is the shoot the arrow that is as close to the 400 grain mark & still maintain heavy foc and real good accuracy. That usually lands me in the 430 to 465 grains total weight.

That’s what I did when I bought them for my MXB400. Didn’t go to the extreme that you did because I was shooting under 40 yards but now I need to shoot out further I want to shoot the fastest and flattest as possible. Didn’t know if anyone had anything to say about the Monster X or Firenock shafts.
I still have concerns how the Spinal Tapps break going through a deer even at 20 yards

 

[robertyb]

I believe he meant they start as 26" length before being cut down instead of 36". Or at least that is what I have seen posted here several times.

 

[woodsman]

Interesting thread. As a newbie to this xbow here is my question. When you guys make or order custom bolts for your Ravins, your using the Ravin noc, correct?

 

[EasternRacks]

Interesting thread. As a newbie to this xbow here is my question. When you guys make or order custom bolts for your Ravins, your using the Ravin noc, correct?

I’m looking to use Firenocks

 

[No1Rackmaster]

Interesting thread. As a newbie to this xbow here is my question. When you guys make or order custom bolts for your Ravins, your using the Ravin noc, correct?

yes or a nock from Fire nock.

I use the Ravin orange nock, The fitment to the string is critcal..i.m.o.

I stay with thier stock stings or ones from Archery shack.

I have never had any drifires or limb breakage across 3 ravin bows either. yet.....

 

[No1Rackmaster]

in the end the best arrows are only worth a crap.....if they will group your broadheads together real close.

this being the whole goal...i.m.o.

good groups with filed points then good groups with broad heads.

Also...Ravin rest design requires a arrow with a nearly straight vane.
Very slight offset visual to the eye while looking down the shaft.
Nap Spin wings and blazers have worked well.
Maybe others can suggest a good vane too.

 

[EasternRacks]

in the end the best arrows are only worth a crap.....if they will group your broadheads together real close.

this being the whole goal...i.m.o.

Bu your happy with the Spinal Tapps

 

[No1Rackmaster]

Bu your happy with the Spinal Tapps

I am not looking to shoot a arrow at the deer and re use the arrow or the broad head ...ever so . We prob not on the same page there. I do not shoot enough deer to ever need to do that. Maybe 2 deer a season.

i always want a perfect projectile shot at the animal. No resharpening or reusing because they arrows always go through and are in very rough shape on retrieval.

 

[robertyb]

I bought the universal bushings from SSA and Ravin nocks off eBay and use my Spinal
Taps, BEEs and any other .300 diameter arrows. I put the bushings in using hot melt so I can pull them out and use other nocks for my other bows also.

 

[No1Rackmaster]

south shore has had few versions of the bushings. Newer longer one with lines on it woks well.
I think they have had this one for over a year.