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Going up for a vote in the state of Wi. is a DNR bill to instead of having Crossbows hunting the same season as archery which is Mid-Sept with a break in Mid Nov. for gun and then Dec. Late Season to having Crossbows only for the month of Oct. and then Dec. late season. Crossbows would be force completely out of the rut and having their season shortened by a lot.
So I would like to thank all the crossbowers that pushed for faster and faster bows. I would like to thank all the new technology seekers that now want a scope with the rangefinder in it. And I would like to give a special thank you to Ravin for pushing the good out to 100 yard advertisements.
I also want to thank all the owe it to the deer hunters that throw away yesterday's owe it to the deer speed bow for the latest and greatest.
Yes it is just Wi. but beware other states are watching. It is like watching a car going faster and faster to drive over that cliff. There I am done. Enjoy your toys but I am sorry to say they are Trojan horses in disguise.
I thought that I would be dead before it came to pass but I guess that I am going to have to watch this unfold.
 

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Going up for a vote in the state of Wi. is a DNR bill to instead of having Crossbows hunting the same season as archery which is Mid-Sept with a break in Mid Nov. for gun and then Dec. Late Season to having Crossbows only for the month of Oct. and then Dec. late season. Crossbows would be force completely out of the rut and having their season shortened by a lot.
So I would like to thank all the crossbowers that pushed for faster and faster bows. I would like to thank all the new technology seekers that now want a scope with the rangefinder in it. And I would like to give a special thank you to Ravin for pushing the good out to 100 yard advertisements.
I also want to thank all the owe it to the deer hunters that throw away yesterday's owe it to the deer speed bow for the latest and greatest.
Yes it is just Wi. but beware other states are watching. It is like watching a car going faster and faster to drive over that cliff. There I am done. Enjoy your toys but I am sorry to say they are Trojan horses in disguise.
I thought that I would be dead before it came to pass but I guess that I am going to have to watch this unfold.
Exactly! Ignorance is bliss for political opponents to Xbows.

Bullets, Shoots like a rifle, 500fps, if you don't think that pisses off our fellow vertical bow hunters you have to be blind and they are a political force that is legitimate. Perception is reality! Nuff said.

Hoping for the best and if it happens that is so unfortunate for those that can't use a crossbow during early archery season. It may not impact many in other states but this is not going away and it may come to your state someday.
 

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That's … patently unfair. You have vertical guys who have been taking your rights since crossbow were shooting 330-350fps. You're blaming the wrong people. Lay the blame where it belongs. Wisconsin is notorious for anti-crossbow lobbying. And it seems that RAVIN's 100 yard/rifle BS is the driver, not speed. Between gun hunters claiming crossbows are a 100 yard rifle like weapon these days, and vertical hunters not wanting THEIR bucks killed, you have issues. And to be fair, if most hunters in your state don't want crossbow use, don't blame us. You happen to live in a state that the majority don't like crossbows. Or the voices against you are stronger and better positioned financially. That and your DNR isn't about herd management, it's about politics and special interest lobbying. Welcome to the blue states hades of patently unfair anti-gun stupidity. I feel your pain, but I don't think you should lash out at your friends.:)

https://www.jsonline.com/story/spor...n-confirms-no-rule-changes-needed/4069381002/

https://waow.com/2019/02/28/dnr-delays-changing-crossbow-deer-season-2019-to-remain-unaffected/
 

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Did they publish any details that is driving the proposed season change?
Crossbows harvested more bucks than vertical bows did . And, the gap is widening between crossbows and verticals. Other than that Vertical bow shooter are far more organized with the Wisconsin bowhunters association.
 

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Crossbows harvested more bucks than vertical bows did . And, the gap is widening between crossbows and verticals. Other than that Vertical bow shooter are far more organized with the Wisconsin bowhunters association.
To a sane … person, that would seem to indicate that crossbows are being embraced by hunters. Crossbows are bringing more hunters into the woods. It would seem that it's a GOOD thing. Furthermore, I have NEVER seen a DNR give one iota of consideration to buck harvest in herd management. (Hunter management perhaps ...lol) Sounds to me like you have a really crappy DNR up there. Puppets?

Little story; I was on a project where there was an issue over deer racks. Most herd reduction culls require cutting off any antlers and turning them over to F&W or DEP, DNR. I assume this reduced some of the local hunters anger over losing "their" bucks. Nobody gets the racks. One of the subcontractors tried to squirrel away a world class rack and it turned into a crap storm. I'll never forget the leader of the team going absolutely postal when he heard about it. Screaming: "It's about the antlers, ALWAYS about the damned antlers!!!" That day was when I learned "nothing good comes out of antlers in a deer management program." "They're nothing but trouble." They're trouble because of the ignoramuses' who are addicted to them and can't abide anyone else having access to them. Evidently, that selfishness runs deep in many Wisconsin hunters and the DNR's herd management program. :(
 

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You should be going after vertical bowhunters on this, it's not like they aren't taking large leaps in technology as well AND they're the ones lobbying against crossbows. Coming on to one of the few crossbow-supporting forums on the internet and pointing your finger isn't the right answer. But hey, if you want to alienate the people who support OUR sport over a bill going to vote? That's your choice.
 

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If their are more crossbow hunters than vertical bow hunters, why don’t they call their representatives and complain? If the socialists in charge are gutsy enough to pass this, I would hope the crossbow hunters would boycott buying a license and stay home. Government in general doesn’t care about you, your safety, all of it. They only care about money. If enough people stop buying licenses in your state, they will see the error in their ways. Coming on crossbow nation and pointing fingers isn’t going to solve anything. If the crossbow hunters showed up to demonstrate the rule change I am thinking they would take notice. It is easier to sit on your computer and berate other hunters from other states that had zero to do with your plight.
 

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Crossbows harvested more bucks than vertical bows did . And, the gap is widening between crossbows and verticals. Other than that Vertical bow shooter are far more organized with the Wisconsin bowhunters association.
Interesting stat, but do they account for hours of use between the two? Or even numbers of hunters using each? In Mi. hunter participation is drastically down, with crossbow participation one of the few categories that actually increased. An aging demographic with more time to spend in the woods when retired, can skew their numbers in Wi. to not be fairly indicative of effectiveness.
 

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Vertical guys have been trying to stop crossbow hunting since the handicap were allowed to use them. Petitions at every arch shop I walked into and some gun shops. It's not the speed. Its greed. They'll shoot my buck. It's all about the antlers for the most part. At least that's what I gather. Ever since the Outdoor channel crap shows aired things have taken a turn. It's no longer about putting meat on the table for a lot of guys. They are in the wrong mindset. Brain washed.
 

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Since you're such a passionate guy, perhaps you should consider starting a crossbow lobbyist group like the New York Crossbow Coalition. Putting your emotion and effort into something like that will prove drastically more effective than coming onto CBN and passive-aggressively blaming your peers.

A group like this unifies crossbow hunters and gives them a singular voice. Utilizing a group like this, you can contact each member of your state's legislature and tell them that you are not on-board with these proposed changes. If there are really more crossbow hunters in WI than there are vertical hunters then this should be an easy task. It's a lot easier to ignore ever Tom, John or Lester and his individual letter than it is to ignore a nonprofit that is supported my membership in the thousands.

www.nycrossbowcoalition.com
 

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Since you're such a passionate guy, perhaps you should consider starting a crossbow lobbyist group like the New York Crossbow Coalition. Putting your emotion and effort into something like that will prove drastically more effective than coming onto CBN and passive-aggressively blaming your peers.

A group like this unifies crossbow hunters and gives them a singular voice. Utilizing a group like this, you can contact each member of your state's legislature and tell them that you are not on-board with these proposed changes. If there are really more crossbow hunters in WI than there are vertical hunters then this should be an easy task. It's a lot easier to ignore ever Tom, John or Lester and his individual letter than it is to ignore a nonprofit that is supported my membership in the thousands.

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Let's get … something else straight … there are no 500fps crossbows. 480fps with a Mickey Mouse arrow maybe? Vertical bows are bumping up against 400fps, so let's stop with the speed BS as anti-crossbow rhetoric.

Secondly, as much as a couple guys are screaming "the sky is falling" Wisconsin is a unique case. There's a lunatic fringe bowhunting association controlled by a crossbow pariah. Let's not start pissing each other off over one state that's controlled by a fanatic. Wisconsin is the exception, not the rule. Crossbow inclusion is strong and steady everywhere else in the nation, and it's only getting stronger as time goes by.
 

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I just saw on FB the WI DNR just came out with stats that show deer harvest was down 50000 in 2019. A 14% decrease. It looks like that state is losing hunters at an alarming rate. If the crossbow people sit out a year, that would take a bite out of their already decreasing revenue. With those stats, alienating hunters is probably something they should not be doing.
 

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This is ridiculous. Maybe you should post that over in Archery Talk in the general discussion section. It's hunters working against hunters and that is what makes it sad. Seems you bought into the same mentality, and are somehow blaming the people that have the same passion as you. No wonder this country is so screwed up....Even people with like minds can't get on the same page....
 

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All is quiet in VA so far.

The thing about all this blaming what a crossbow is called on crossbow forums is certainly not helping the situation. I’m going to ask Ravin to name their next crossbow “Pansy”, their arrows “sticks” and broadheads “flints.”:rolleyes:

I still believe approaching 500 FPS is a big detriment to future crossbow inclusion, especially where vertical bow organizations are foaming at the mouth with their hatred for crossbow inclusion.

The ironic thing about it is that ALL of them will very likely age up to the point that crossbows will be their ONLY salvation for continued bowhunting due to age related physical limitations. Talking about a bunch of near sighted idiots!!!!!! If they are successful at eliminating crossbow inclusion in archery season now, they can sit at home and wait til firearms season (real firearms) comes in:rolleyes:
 

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This is ridiculous. Maybe you should post that over in Archery Talk in the general discussion section. It's hunters working against hunters and that is what makes it sad. Seems you bought into the same mentality, and are somehow blaming the people that have the same passion as you. No wonder this country is so screwed up....Even people with like minds can't get on the same page....
aging … is good people. He's a stickbow type of guy to his core. He's honest in his passion. I respect that. I suspect he's just ultra-frustrated at the preposterous crap that's going on in his state. As he said, it's a rant. Nothing he said isn't to some degree true. Speed and Ravin give ammo to the enemy same as something like the Ukrainian nonsense gives ammo to the lunatic left wing socialists. The AOC socialists and/or the Wisconsin vertical bowhunters only care about their radical agenda. Their goal isn't justice or honor, their goal is extermination. Anything and Everything is ammunition until they reach that goal. Only the people can stop the lunatic fringe from imposing their agendas.
 
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