Yeah ... it's like those who adore Fred Bear always point back to his stickbows as if he himself worshiped them. Fred was a pioneer and innovator and was a "Tip of the Spear" far more than a stalwart of the old ways. He may not be a Jim Kemph of crossbows if he was still with us, but you can bet the ranch he'd be pushing Mathews, Hoyt or Bowtech for top gun in vertical innovation.While i truly respect what the BC. Club was trying to accomplish. I bet the Founding members wouldn't still be shooting what they were Back then or Driving a Model T Ford now. Then again Maybe they Would...to each there Own....within the Law..!!