Out of the Box TS370 Chrono time

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TomOnTheRun

Discussion Starter · Dec 7, 2019 (Edited)

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So I have a collection scopes in my man cave shop and normally I'm a red dot guy but I installed a Excalibur Deadzone Speed scope that suppose to shoot out to 60 yards. Way more than I require for my parkland hunt area in Alabama. It took me threes shots for my TS370 to hit the bullseye at 10 yards. More adjustment required to dial in eye relief so I'll adjust a bit forward on my pica tinny rail then sight in at 20 yards when I go to the range today to set the speed ring at 40 yards so my 30, 50 and 60 yard CH will be set.

I do have my Sig Sauer Romeo5/HHA Optimizer reserved for my other TS370. That's my Colorado Xbow and B Cross has it tuned to shoot for my long range shooting for open prairie hunts when I go to Colorado. FYI: In Colorado I am not allowed to use a magnified scope on a crossbow.

Today's TS370 Chrono test: It only took me 5 shots to dial in at 10 yards. Primary goal was to chrono my TS370 after modifying my riser per bunny rabbits Ghost 410 fix. Time will tell if the shims holds up. I'm confident they will. He's over 900 shots on his Xbow.

We are lucky to have guys like him active on the Barnett forum. Shot three times. Note this Xbow has been in the Box new since it's build date on 6/20/2018. So I wasn't sure what to expect.

Arrow tested: 400grain Zombie Slayers. For my hunting in Alabama I'll be using 403 grain 20" BloodSport Hunters.

1st Shot: 368fps
2n Shot: 367fps
3rd shot: 370fps

Note1: I am shooting 20 grain heavier arrows vs Barnett spec'd 380 grain arrows. I"m impressed!
Note2: I purchase Excalibur Deadzone Speed scope for $30 on Ebay on a whim. Very clear glass and I'm impressed. Will dial in to hunt for tomorrow.
Note3: Now with the bow string level on my shooting rail I'll keep count how long the center serving strings last before replacement is required. To be continued on that note.

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Farm Deer

· #2 · Dec 7, 2019

Nice work Tom. I'm looking at another TS370 myself. Everyone needs a pair. LOL
I did purchase an HHA for testing and mounted my Simmons 3x9. Zeroed at 20 and then dialed in at index #38. Bullseye at 60 with Zombies/.001/20".

HHA likes and dislikes:
Liked the quality of components, ease of install and setup.
Did not like the dial off the side, yardage pin location when cheek to stock, carbon steel screws rather SS.

I did find that the dial has some hysteresis. Meaning IF you dial to 40 yards, for example, then to 60, then back to 40 from 60, the zero is now high. IF I went from 40 to 60 then adjust back below 40 and came back to up 40 it was spot on.
Slight clearance between the cam follower and helical cam groove seems to be the reason.

I have a few designs on my CAD I have been playing with and planning to machine a prototype this week. Much more compact and adjustment is right below the scope and on center. A person could look through the scope, peek down at the dial and make adjustment without moving your head, cheek to stock. I'll keep you posted on how things go.

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TomOnTheRun

Discussion Starter · #3 · Dec 7, 2019

Enjoy the Xbow but stay on that CAD design. I'll be happy to be an early adopter.

If you are a CCD user the side wheel on the HHA is a noted issue. On the 40-60 yard comment. good to know. Interesting.

Farm Deer

· #4 · Dec 7, 2019

Tom,
Don't get me wrong, the HHA is a nice device and works as advertised. However with any design there is always room for improvement. YES, CCD is a no-op with the HHA. Care must also be taken with the RCD, wide pulls.

My improvement includes a class 3a/3b thread for near perfect fit, zero hysteresis. 1" to 2" difference may not mean much to some but why not be spot on regardless of adjustment if possible.

Enjoy your 370

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TomOnTheRun

Discussion Starter · #5 · Dec 7, 2019

OMG, I can't wait till you advance your knowledge and insight to innovate beyond HHA or the Jackplate. Outstanding FD!

archer36

· #6 · Dec 7, 2019

It's nice to know some bows hit speeds that they advertise with arrows that most people are going to use and not some extremely light ones that no one does.

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TomOnTheRun

Discussion Starter · #7 · Dec 7, 2019

Alright, now that I demolished my pool last summer (not the best way I want to spend coin) I officially have a shooting range in my backyard. Fence to fence it stretches 40 yards plus with hardwoods as my backstop behind my fence so I am safety cognizant. The backyard shooting range won't last for long though. The misses has other plans later this spring for backyard renovation projects.

However, today, I was able to sight in the Excalibur DeadZone speed scope. So I am money to go hunt with this Xbow tomorrow if I want to go. After sighting in at 20 yards and adjusting the speed ring for 40 yards I am bullseye accurate at 20, 30 and 40 yards reticles.

Huntersthompson

· #8 · Dec 7, 2019

TomOnTheRun said:
Alright, now that I demolished my pool last summer (not the best way I want to spend coin) I officially have a shooting range in my backyard. Fence to fence it stretches 40 yards plus with hardwoods as my backstop behind my fence so I am safety cognizant. The backyard shooting range won't last for long though. The misses has other plans later this spring for backyard renovation projects. However, today, I was able to sight in the Excalibur DeadZone speed scope. So I am money to go hunt with this Xbow tomorrow if I want to go. After sighting in at 20 yards and adjusting the speed ring for 40 yards I am bullseye accurate at 20, 30 and 40 yards reticles.

Tom,do you know if your other 370 is coming with x99 string and cables and halo serving or something different?

TomOnTheRun

Discussion Starter · #9 · Dec 7, 2019

HT, I need to check with B Cross on that. I do think X99 for strings and cables but not certain on the center serving. He's always ahead of the curve and does a darn great job with his serving and pre-stretch custom string work. If I get over 700 shots out of my strings like he did for you, I'll be one happy camper. I have faith what he's doing will be optimized for my TS370.

I did another chrono test this afternoon with my TS370. Chrono was 369fps, 400grain arrow. Not that I expected less but since I have a chrono machine might as well use it.

Like that I have eliminated the string pressure off my shooting rail.

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TomOnTheRun

Discussion Starter · #10 · Dec 7, 2019

Here's my $30 like new Excal Speed Scope.

Sometimes you get lucky on a Ebay deal. Very accurate on all the reticles once set.

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bryan.y.yu

· #11 · Dec 7, 2019

TomOnTheRun said:
Here's my $30 like new Excal Speed Scope. Sometimes you get lucky on a Ebay deal. Very accurate on all the reticles once set.

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Yeah. B is so great that you had to go buy a tact-zone scope from Excalibur. You’re really showing off the quality of Barnett’s. Smdh.

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TomOnTheRun

Discussion Starter · #12 · Dec 8, 2019

FYI: folks that last post/response has been ignored by me. Carry on and let's not let his negative mojo disrupt the energy here in Barnett forum. I read his very nasty post elsewhere in my email and ignored him immediately when he got personal.

Thanks, TOTR

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TomOnTheRun

Discussion Starter · #13 · Dec 8, 2019 (Edited)

Today, I take this Xbow out to hunt. I was hoping to go early this morning but am home alone. My wife is out of town taking care of her sister who fell and broke both of her wrist. I can't leave my dog alone for a whole day. She is a house dog. Going out after lunch and getting up in a tree for about 3 plus hours. Can't wait.

Although this is not a a narrow bow by new standards but this Xbow has a noticeably small ATA unblocked. I think it's 16.75" and 12.5" ATA cocked. That's pretty compact.

Not sure what to make of this but the strings have been sitting in the box since 6/20/2018. No stretching at all. I have have waxed up the strings significantly for added measure.

TomOnTheRun

Discussion Starter · #14 · Dec 8, 2019

Huntersthompson said:
Tom,do you know if your other 370 is coming with x99 string and cables and halo serving or something different?

Yes, I just texted B Cross. That is what he put on my TS370. Should have it on Monday.

Huntersthompson

· #15 · Dec 8, 2019

TomOnTheRun said:
Today, I take this Xbow out to hunt. I was hoping to go early this morning but am home alone. My wife is out of town taking care of her sister who fell and broke both of her wrist. I can't leave my dog alone for a whole day. She is a house dog. Going out after lunch and getting up in a tree for about 3 plus hours. Can't wait.

Although this is not a a narrow bow by new standards but this Xbow has a noticeably small ATA unblocked. I think it's 16.75" and 12.5" ATA cocked. That's pretty compact.

Not sure what to make of this but the strings have been sitting in the box since 6/20/2018. No stretching at all. I have have waxed up the strings significantly for added measure.

I cock mine in my stand with no trouble. I think this is about as narrow as you can get having a cable to both top and bottom of the axle.

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TomOnTheRun

Discussion Starter · #16 · Dec 8, 2019 (Edited)

FYI: A trick I learned from B Cross using half-moon nocks.....

Disclaimer: do this at your own risk.
To help reduce center serving wear for narrower Xbows I am now using a semi-curved flat file to curve/slope the outside at a 75° angle at the bottom of the "V" of the half moon nock to round this area. I'm doing this it to eliminate the sharp edge on the nock. I go from the outside of the nock and file up and down. I am shooting with no accuracy issues. It's kinda like a Alpha Nock hybrid. As soon as BearX releases their TrueX narrow nock I plan to purchase them to test out.

Another observation since my bow string is now flat and lightly touching the shooting rail in the cocked position the bow string is more centered on the 1/2 moon nock in the trigger box. I need to reconfirm this but I did look at this yesterday. I'll followup to post a pic later to confirm.

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archer36

· #17 · Dec 8, 2019

TomOnTheRun said:
FYI: A trick I learned from B Cross using half-moon nocks.....

Disclaimer: do this at your own risk.
To help reduce center serving wear for narrower Xbows I am now using a semi-curved flat file to curve/slope the outside at a 75° angle at the bottom of the "V" of the half moon nock to round this area. I'm doing this it to eliminate the sharp edge on the nock. I go from the outside of the nock and file up and down. I am shooting with no accuracy issues. It's kinda like a Alpha Nock hybrid. As soon as BearX releases their TrueX narrow nock I plan to purchase them to test out.

Another observation since my bow string is now flat and lightly touching the shooting rail in the cocked position the bow string is more centered on he 1/2 moon nock in the trigger box. I need to reconfirm this but I did look at this yesterday. I'll followup to post a pic later to confirm.

I have some Nitro 600 arrows made by Gold Tip that came with Aluminum Half Moon nocks that have very sharp edges. I used a round file to round them out. Finding other nocks for them is near impossible since they have a uncommon inside diameter.
You may ask, "what are you doing with such heavy arrows". I found a dozen of these unfletched on Amazon for $30. They sell for about $55 fletched for a half dozen. I thinking I may go back to South Africa but this time with Archery Equipment. Wanted the heavy arrows for some of those tough critters they have there.

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TomOnTheRun

Discussion Starter · #18 · Dec 8, 2019

Your hunting adventures are wildly cool and extreme. Hell, I'm going to Colorado or Arizona and you are hunting game in SouthAfrica, I can only imagine. Keep me in the loop on that one if it develops. Impressed!

TomOnTheRun

Discussion Starter · #19 · Dec 8, 2019

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Okay, packed ready for after noon hunt. I wanted to see where I was on the Chrono one last time. Call me anal. Shot 370fps. So this shooter is a 368 to 370fps Xbow with 400grain arrow setup.

Also, since I reduced tension on the shooting rail I took a picture of the string in the trigger tech assembly. Maybe, I'm seeing it differently but it does look higher and more centered in the nock vs past Barnetts I've owned. Curious what others are seeing when they load their arrows into their Barnetts.

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TomOnTheRun

Discussion Starter · #20 · Dec 11, 2019

Folks, checking in to share the latest update and status with my TS370. I only have 60 shots on my Xbow but gotta say that shim fix has really been a great fix. The center serving looks brand new like the day I have it. That impresses most to be honest.

I'm drilling either center in or just outside of the 2.5" bullseye circle routinely at 40 yards. The plus side to all of this I have two TS370's that can do this. I know Barnett makes some mid price quality Xbows and I have owned a few but gotta say the TS370 is quite impressive.

I'm not done with this shim fix. Cosmetically, I have ordered very stiff and durable flat sheet of 1/8" thick rubber. I'm going to install this because it's black and two it can't hurt to add additional vibration absorbing material to the crossbow. When I get it completed I'll post pics.

I only executed 60 shots but the serving looks perfect and I'm shooting 400 grain arrows 370fps. Score!

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