Ozones and Ions scent control

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TomOnTheRun

Discussion Starter · Jan 17, 2020

I am interested in this idea that is not new to many but new to me. I bit the hook and got a Ion machine for my tree climber an ground blind hunts. Next evolution is a tub or bag to kill scent on my boots, gloves, tree harness and backpack/fanny pack and clothes. This may be overkill to useless but if it gives me more confidence I'll try it.

Some swear by it others do not. I will find out. I hunt heavy pressure public lands, I can't bait and I need to expand my approach with many new changes I'll be adding to my hunting approach for 2020.

To me it make sense. I have a fairly new truck and keep my tree harness in the cab. Do I want it to smell like a new truck in the woods? Seems logical to me.

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archer36

· #2 · Jan 17, 2020

It can't hurt although many claim that Ozone in an "enclosed" blind can be harmful. I try to carry around a minimal amount of "things" so I am averse to tinkering around with something else. In the 45 years I have been hunting, I can honestly say that I can only remember being "busted" a handful of times solely due to scent and I hunt A LOT.
The times I was busted I can say it was more a combination of movement, noise, and scent. I think only one of those do not immediately spook deer. For example, a deer sees your movement and it gets it's attention. Then the wind swirls and your scent is picked up. Another example would be you spot a deer and shift around in your tree stand. It's makes a squeaking noise and the deer looks in your direction and spots you movement. Busted.
Just my 2 cents.

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smong2000

· #3 · Jan 17, 2020

Tom,
Be careful not to breathe the ozone, very, very bad stuff. It will deteriorate (oxidize) most anything it contacts, it's just a matter of concentration so in the open air not as much of a problem as in a confined space. That's how it eliminates odor.
If you can get your deer to sniff it for a while it will wreck their sense of smell and damage their lungs so might be beneficial in that respect.
Probably is a good way to deodorize your gear and clothes if you use it in a tub or tent...

Lots of literature about it out there.
https://learn.allergyandair.com/ozone-generators/

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John H

· #4 · Jan 17, 2020

I went 50% in on Ion/ Ozone scent control last year and am diving head first into it for next season.

I had a cigarette lighter plug in for the truck and it worked.
The other thing I built was a plastic tub, I added gaskets to the edges and both on Amazon for $45. an ozone machine I bolted it to the side of the tub plumed a hose into it.

In the morning while getting ready to hunt Id plug the tub in with my outer wear, for 20 mins including my back pack & boots, then walk out and push in the truck ozone machine let it run for 20 mins. After 20 mins I shut everything down head to the woods with the tub in the bed of my truck I dressed out side and walk in to the stand.

I didn't have a tree mounted Ozonics machine but I will. I only got busted only once in 7 strait days of hunting and I think it was movement not scent.

I was in a ground blind one day and a mature doe kept smelling around my blind, she finally walked up and stuck her nose into my blind, I could have scratched her nose . She didn't alert or even flinch, just couldn't figure out what the smell was but it didn't represent a threat. I watched deer all week and the rest of the season put their nose in the air lick their nose constantly but never freak out, they were more curious and after a brief pause kept on.

That experiment SOLD me on ozonic's, there were 4-of us that hunted, (2) used the same process (2) didn't. We that did never got busted the other had a terrible week. I also took morning showers, used scent eliminator spray and all the other normal precautions, but I am sold on this stuff now.
If several mature deer during peak rut walk strait into my wind stream to within 0-15 yards consistently, something is working to minimize human scent. Im curious the difference between the Pure Ion verse Ozone for use in the tree or enclosed stands. Ozone is definitely not good or safe to breath but sure kills oders.

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John H

· #5 · Jan 17, 2020

archer36 said:
It can't hurt although many claim that Ozone in an "enclosed" blind can be harmful. I try to carry around a minimal amount of "things" so I am averse to tinkering around with something else. In the 45 years I have been hunting, I can honestly say that I can only remember being "busted" a handful of times solely due to scent and I hunt A LOT.
The times I was busted I can say it was more a combination of movement, noise, and scent. I think only one of those do not immediately spook deer. For example, a deer sees your movement and it gets it's attention. Then the wind swirls and your scent is picked up. Another example would be you spot a deer and shift around in your tree stand. It's makes a squeaking noise and the deer looks in your direction and spots you movement. Busted.
Just my 2 cents.

I totally agree with you a noise, a movement and a wiff of anything out of the ordinary POOF

Moon

· #6 · Jan 17, 2020

I just play the wind as best I can, choose my stand location accordingly and hunt:- ) When I was a lot younger I played with different things to minimize deer nailing me. I used Wright’s liquid smoke and had doe deer following my trails to my stands. Latest used is Nose Jammer. Jury is out on that. The older I get the less I do any of that. I have a friend that uses the Ozonics unit. He kills more deer than I do

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ApexerER

· #7 · Jan 17, 2020

I get lots of cabelas gift cards since everyone knows I like the outdoors for Christmas/birthday etc. It got to the point that I wasn't really sure what to purchase so I got a scent crusher tote to try. I liked that it killed the scent and I didn't have to wash my hunting gear as often. To me it smells like the air after a thunderstorm. Since I was happy with the scent crusher I got an ozonics. It's the older model and you have to buy the extended battery or it only lasts a couple hours. Here is what I can tell you about it and I have no scientific facts to back up any of this so it could be dumb luck. First, ozone may be harmful to you but if you are smelling it in your treestand it is setup wrong. It blows down wind. You should never smell it. If you do the wind changed and you should be changing where the ozonics is pointed. I'm not a doctor but I can't see how this could be harmful to you. 2nd, I have been hunting since I was 16 so this was my 30th hunting season. I had never killed a buck bigger than a 5pt before using the scent crusher and ozonics. The year I used them I killed my first wall hanger. A beautiful 8. The 2nd year I killed the 9pt in my avatar and it is also on my wall now. Since then I have killed two more decent 8pts and a really nice 6pt. I see at least twice as many deer as my hunting buddies who still make fun of me for using the ozonics. So in the last 5 or 6 years, I either became a way better hunter or ozone is effective. If you want the scent crushers tote, I would just make one with a regular tote and a ozone generator off Amazon. It will cost about 75 bucks instead of 200. It always seems like the people that post about the harmful effects and the fact that its voodoo are the people that don't own one. My question is, how many posts do you see that say, I got an ozonics or scent crusher and this thing is a joke. Don't waste your money. Good luck with what you decide. I believe it is very helpful.

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KTownKiller

· #8 · Jan 17, 2020 (Edited)

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I got an Ozonator 100 from; https://www.amazing1.com/products/ozone-generator-100-500mg-hr.html a couple years ago. I needed something to kill my scent. The swamp I hunt in town, gets the evening down drafts taking my stink right down into where the deer are....especially if I've chowed down on chille

...I also wash myself in baking soda totally before head'n out. My cloths hang in a bathroom with the ozonator run'n sometimes to fill the space with ozone....then I can bring the ozonator with me into my blind and run it there from a battery. Mine is adjustable, and has to be set from 100-500 mg/hour, depending on the air speed....so it takes a bit of trial and error...

But these will put out more than Ozonics...

Sooo, does it work? Well, I see a lot more deer coming up outta the swamp now, even when the wind is going right down in there!!! And I had a doe walk up, completely downwind within about 12 yds....many others within 30 yds. They'll maybe stop and sniff the air (ozone) a bit, but usually just continue on....It does seem though that the ozone can be overdone. If I have it turned up quite high, they seem to not like it!

I tell ya, it's weird seeing deer walk up in your direction with the air moving right to them though!!! Takes some get'n use to!!

Ps; I've smelt lots of the ozone and I'm still here!....the deer are fine too!!!

In my blind one day, I did get a bit to much and started feel'n a bit off, but I just turned it down a bit and opened another window for fresh air....I lived! No big deal. It's like chill'n out by a lightning bolt for a while!!!

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Georgia Pine

· #9 · Jan 18, 2020

TomOnTheRun said:
I am interested in this idea that is not new to many but new to me. I bit the hook and got a Ion machine for my tree climber an ground blind hunts. Next evolution is a tub or bag to kill scent on my boots, gloves, tree harness and backpack/fanny pack and clothes. This may be overkill to useless but if it gives me more confidence I'll try it.

Some swear by it others do not. I will find out. I hunt heavy pressure public lands, I can't bait and I need to expand my approach with many new changes I'll be adding to my hunting approach for 2020.

To me it make sense. I have a fairly new truck and keep my tree harness in the cab. Do I want it to smell like a new truck in the woods? Seems logical to me.

It probably helps to a certain degree. I bought one of those 50 dollar scent slammer units for a tote setup.Been using that along with those cover scent wafers this yr.

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KTownKiller

· #10 · Jan 18, 2020

The nice thing about having an ozonator right with ya out there, is when ya let one rip, ya just turn up the ozone a bit to kill the stink bomb!!!....

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Rottenron

· #11 · Feb 16, 2020

My son got me a Common hunter ozone eliminator.And just before I got the thing my wifes cat peed in ower bathroom furnace ductwork and it stunk bad.So when I got the Ozone eliminator I put it In the ductwork for 2hrs and no more piss smell. So if it can kill that them it has to kill human scent.I used it to clean my hunting clothesand seen a good difference. Were I hunt in NY the wind blows in the direction they are coming from.Their is no way hunting it any different.I always get at least 30 feet high or more to hide my scent. And the way you are supposed to use the Ozonics in a blind is to put it in a window faceing out and blowing in the direction the wind is blowing .That way your scent is going out the window in to the Ozonic to cover your scent.

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Lever Action

· #12 · Feb 16, 2020

As long as you dont use it in an enclosed area you will be fine.

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Guy48065

· #13 · Feb 16, 2020

Way back around 1980 I gathered parts to build several ion/ozone generators from plans found in an article in Popular Electronics. I abandoned the project when the guy I worked for at the time (a vegetarian health nut) warned me ozone is toxic. Odd that the article never mentioned THAT, and odd that this debate still continues 40 years later.

KTownKiller

· #14 · Feb 16, 2020

A little OD on Ozone is great!!!! Sterilizes your lungs and brain at the same time!!!!

That's why,....uuuuum...I forgot

DUDE!!!! Never, ever believe a vego!!!!

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TomOnTheRun

Discussion Starter · #15 · Feb 17, 2020 (Edited)

Ion machines completely different then Ozionics and ION machines are completely safe to use inside of blinds from what I've read.

TomOnTheRun

Discussion Starter · #16 · Feb 17, 2020

I'll have something in a tree next season.

trailcamguy

· #17 · Feb 17, 2020 (Edited)

Deer often show up from the "wrong" direction no matter how carefully you plan things and that will never change.
Been using Ozone generators to treat my hunting clothing before every hunt for two years now, along with a scent free shower. I hunt using 14-16ft tall ladderstands so downwind deer usually smell something unusual in the air, that is evident by their reactions. The Ozone scent on my clothing shows itself to be non-threatening to them and they in time go about their business, usually allowing for a shot opportunity if I want to take it. I have never experienced a "Poof and they are gone" type reaction yet.

I hunt in "their world" where both mature bucks and does notice anything and everything different than it was before.
I'm a firm believer in Ozone scent elimination and if Ion machines work as well I will take a look at those too.
Any legal and ethical advantage I can gain over a mature deer is just part of the game plan.
I feel if I can put enough parts together I might eventually come out the winner and that happens more often than not now.
Don't knock it if you haven't tried it and that comes from the biggest "skeptic" you might ever meet.

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gingerjake

· #18 · Feb 17, 2020

A lot of common sense displayed in some of the comments in this thread. Now here is the biochemistry: Ozone is chemically 3 oxygen molecules bound together to make a chemically powerful oxidizer. Oxidizers tear apart hydrogen molecules by stripping of their electrons like other strong acids do. Your lungs have little balloons of thin membranes made of proteins and fats that allow carbon monoxide and dioxide to leave the blood and oxygen to pass into the blood. Ozone "chemically" fries those proteins and fats and destroys gas transport into and out of the blood and fills the balloon with "juice". How much does it take? Precious little! EPA says .16 mg/M^3 (milligrams per cubic meter) is not healthy. National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health says maximum allowable concentration for 8-hr work day is 0.2 mg/M^3. 10 mg/M^3 is immediately hazardous to health. Now comes the math: Your 6x6x6 blind is ~6 M^3. A 500 mg/hr ozone generator would raise the concentration to ~ 80 mg/M^3 or 8X the concentration immediately hazardous to health in ONE hour. Oh, and depending on the ozone to "fry" last nights chili stink bombs, don't worry, the mucus membranes in your nose are already "toast" so you won't smell them anyway.

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Lever Action

· #19 · Feb 17, 2020

Guy48065 said:
Way back around 1980 I gathered parts to build several ion/ozone generators from plans found in an article in Popular Electronics. I abandoned the project when the guy I worked for at the time (a vegetarian health nut) warned me ozone is toxic. Odd that the article never mentioned THAT, and odd that this debate still continues 40 years later.

I install these actually. Not daily mind you. While they work great in open areas, they are not permitted in closed rooms with minimal air circulation. Even the manufacturer of ozonics said (on film) that his product should not be used in a blind unless the windows are open. He didnt look real comfortable while answering the question or when that question was asked. The information is out there. Just go to the fields corporation or other such manufacturers who make industrial solutions for HVAC and you will see their VERY strict warning for installation conditions.

Lever Action

· #20 · Feb 17, 2020

gingerjake said:
A lot of common sense displayed in some of the comments in this thread. Now here is the biochemistry: Ozone is chemically 3 oxygen molecules bound together to make a chemically powerful oxidizer. Oxidizers tear apart hydrogen molecules by stripping of their electrons like other strong acids do. Your lungs have little balloons of thin membranes made of proteins and fats that allow carbon monoxide and dioxide to leave the blood and oxygen to pass into the blood. Ozone "chemically" fries those proteins and fats and destroys gas transport into and out of the blood and fills the balloon with "juice". How much does it take? Precious little! EPA says .16 mg/M^3 (milligrams per cubic meter) is not healthy. National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health says maximum allowable concentration for 8-hr work day is 0.2 mg/M^3. 10 mg/M^3 is immediately hazardous to health. Now comes the math: Your 6x6x6 blind is ~6 M^3. A 500 mg/hr ozone generator would raise the concentration to ~ 80 mg/M^3 or 8X the concentration immediately hazardous to health in ONE hour. Oh, and depending on the ozone to "fry" last nights chili stink bombs, don't worry, the mucus membranes in your nose are already "toast" so you won't smell them anyway.

You nailed it!

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