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Just thinking out loud; but i guess it won't be too long and we will ready for the 2020 shot show! i am wondering what the dudes from ravin are working on for the show. Will it be a new bow pushing the speed to new levels? maybe a reverse limb edition with 15.5 inch draw spitting out a 400 grn arrow at 380 or better? Or how about a smaller model than the R26. Maybe a upgrade on their outstanding crank system? I think i'll just doze off in my lazy boy and dream of some new versions they may be working on in their hidden lab under ground somewhere near the ravin factory. All have a nice holiday season and if you have some time to drift off and dream of some new concepts come back to the nation and reveal those thoughts. Have a good and safe holiday!
 

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Just thinking out loud; but i guess it won't be too long and we will ready for the 2020 shot show! i am wondering what the dudes from ravin are working on for the show. Will it be a new bow pushing the speed to new levels? maybe a reverse limb edition with 15.5 inch draw spitting out a 400 grn arrow at 380 or better? Or how about a smaller model than the R26. Maybe a upgrade on their outstanding crank system? I think i'll just doze off in my lazy boy and dream of some new versions they may be working on in their hidden lab under ground somewhere near the ravin factory. All have a nice holiday season and if you have some time to drift off and dream of some new concepts come back to the nation and reveal those thoughts. Have a good and safe holiday!
Great post Darby. Likewise, wish you and all the good folks on CBN a wonderful Christmas and a Happy New Year.

It's hard to believe we will very soon begin a new decade. I just hope it will be better than the last one.
I don't have a clue what's in the offering from Ravin for 2020 but I bet it will be interesting. They always seem to have something innovative up their sleeve. My personal wish is for them to offer a new auto ranging scope option and better arrows. As far as a new crossbow, I'm really quite happy with my R9 and R10 now that I have Archery Shack cables and strings on them. It's sure nice not to be worried about cable stretch or serving separation anymore.
 

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Yes bigbird,I think your idea on better optics, including ranging will be one area that not only ravin; but several other companies are no doubt working on rite now. Like you and slayer have said the R9, R10 etc are excellent products. I love my R10 and i did get archery shack strings; but i haven't changed mine as i don't shoot as much as most of you guys. My strings still look great! I don't really know how many shots i have on the bow. A guess would be somewhere around 200 give or take. I did measure my ata and it has changed to exceed the 10.5 inch mark. Still very accurate and i won't bother changing the strings until the spring as i will be out hunting after christmas for a doe with my dmap tag which is good for an area in a nearby state forest section.








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ATA and the Shot Show may have some surprises for us. I think we would all love to see an auto-ranging small form factor scope that's designed for crossbows. It will happen at some point but I'm not sure 2020 is the year. Maybe?

Maybe the Burris and Ravin techno-elves have been secretly working on an Eliminator RXB (RavinXBow). A 10" auto ranging laser scope with a bluetooth remote rage push button capable of sub-sonic ballistics like the Sig BDX scopes and it's a $599 buy. OK, I'm waking up....... ;)

Optic products change pretty quickly and I'll be surprised to see any of the main xbow companies making a splash with a smart or electro-optic. Partnering with an optic company is another story and is already happening with Mission and Sig with the Sierra3.

It will be another interesting year. :)
 
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I would like a hawk xb30 pro that had a small led in the cross hair of the scope that you zero in at 20 yds and that it would move up or down to the exact yds you are looking at ; just like a laser range finder like my scout that compensates for angle from the trees i hunt from. I don't think this would be hard for them to do and the first one who puts it out on the market would sell them like hot cakes!
 

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I would like a hawk xb30 pro that had a small led in the cross hair of the scope that you zero in at 20 yds and that it would move up or down to the exact yds you are looking at ; just like a laser range finder like my scout that compensates for angle from the trees i hunt from. I don't think this would be hard for them to do and the first one who puts it out on the market would sell them like hot cakes!
It's technically possible but a extreme departure from the current traditional optic design Hawk uses. The components to do it are not yet affordable in the small sizes we would care for them to be. ATN and Burris are prime examples of major companies that are close and Sig now comes into the conversation as well. These companies have some or all of have this technology but it's bulky (ATN), not fully integrated (ATN and Sig), not subsonic ready (Burris), missing the built in laser (Sig) and it's more expensive (Burris) than needed to appeal to the masses necessary to bring it to market and make a profit.

But there is progress in this technology and many devices are, or soon will be, xbow friendly. I'm eager to see what the creative minds in these companies come up with.
 
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Don't forget there also might be another way that's possible. That's to not change the scope at all. Instead you revise the scope mount like the HHA or Jackplate. This makes it a solution specific to crossbows which can even be better because after all, crossbows are not guns unless you are a 'Anti' type of guy.

It utilizes a stepper motor like is common on 3D printers. Stepper motors can be accurate to 1/3200 of a degree if necessary and can also be very quick. I've estimated the electronics, motor and rangefinder to cost less than $200 in total. Thanks to drone and 3D printer technology, costs are extremely cheap for all the items needed and there's a large assortment of lightweight, efficient and very compact stuff out there.
It won't be easy for an old fart like me but what the heck. It's better than wasting time typing on a keyboard.

Read below to see how.
It'a my new winter project unless someone beats me to it and that'll be just fine.
 

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Don't forget there also might be another way that's possible. That's to not change the scope at all. Instead you revise the scope mount like the HHA or Jackplate. This makes it a solution specific to crossbows which can even be better because after all, crossbows are not guns unless you are a 'Anti' type of guy.

It utilizes a stepper motor like is common on 3D printers. Stepper motors can be accurate to 1/3200 of a degree if necessary and can also be very quick. I've estimated the electronics, motor and rangefinder to cost less than $200 in total. Thanks to drone and 3D printer technology, costs are extremely cheap for all the items needed and there's a large assortment of lightweight, efficient and very compact stuff out there.
It won't be easy for an old fart like me but what the heck. It's better than wasting time typing on a keyboard.

Read below to see how.
It'a my new winter project unless someone beats me to it and that'll be just fine.
Good luck on your venture BB1! I hope the folks at HHA are buying in and support your effort or it you're going this alone, you're a brave man. ;)

So, in this solution the rangefinder is mounted to the crossbow along with a scope of choice on a motorized rail system that syncs with the rangefinder via bluetooth? Correct?

Have you ID'ed which rangefinder you plan to use?
 

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The rangefinder will need to be mounted to the scope or HHA rail because it must move with the dial to stay in the scope crosshair.

Yes the rangefinder will probably bluetooth connect to the HHA electronics but a 19200 baud serial link would probably work as well.
The cool thing is audible feedback from the stepper can confirm the dist. has been set and if the electronics or rangefinder fail, you could manually adjust the dial and still be in business if you have a hand held rangefinder.
 

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Thanks Darby.
If you think about it, this design could be a potential money maker for a crossbow manufacturer. If they ignore it, then all of the profit from a rifle scope solution goes straight to someone else.

In addition, any rifle scope solution that could truly compete in accuracy must be designed from the ground up for crossbows. There is simply not enough market for that from many scope manufacturer's point of view.

They could also come out with another crossbow that is specifically designed to support auto-ranging technology. I can think of several things you could do to modify a crossbow to accommodate auto ranging. For instance, a 2 stage set trigger would be ideal. Bring the scope up, place the single crosshair on the animal, squeeze the trigger and the jackplate or HHA quickly adjust the scope to the correct tilt angle. Now squeeze again for the shot. This way, you can't take the shot without auto ranging the target first.

Then you would have another profit engine that would continue their tradition of introducing more innovation to the industry.
 

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Imagine a setup menu that you follow a range and shoot for zero at 20 yds, hit set then move to 60 or so yards, range and adjust for zero and hit set again. All ranges are now set for various speed arrows. Change weight? No problem. Run the set up again or have an option to save and name for recall later on while using a heavier or lighter arrow. Image the possibilities.


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If Ravin can do and not make bow noisy and not add loads of weight.
Have adjustable length of pull and adjustable cheek rest.

And by all means get a contract with a worthy string and cable maker.
Ditch the current oem scopes and go with a better scope. At least on their higher priced models.
Ravin I think should strongly consider selling their bows with no scope and mounts. At a lower price. Let future Ravin buyer choose what they want and buy.

Change Warranty stance to be transferable. At least for 3 years after initial purchase. Keep 5 year warranty for original purchaser intact.
 

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I went from an R9 to an R10 not sure i am budging for anything new. I dont shoot long distance, the R10 is very accurate reasonably small for a tree stand and short enough for me.
That R10 is truly an awesome bow for sure . I had just got one and they came out with thr R26, I just couldn’t resist , went ahead and got it . Wow-weeee. . So my best friend I gave the R10 to , He was as tickles as a dog with a new litter of puppies . He said the other day Yahtzee’s he picked up the R9 and it felt long compared to the R10
 

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Just saw on Ravin's facebook page that they were starting to pack for ATA show. They had a stack of new Crossbows that they were packing. I could not make out the Model number but it had a shipping label that warned of a lithium battery. So what ever the new Model is it will be using a lithium battery.
 

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Just saw on Ravin's facebook page that they were starting to pack for ATA show. They had a stack of new Crossbows that they were packing. I could not make out the Model number but it had a shipping label that warned of a lithium battery. So what ever the new Model is it will be using a lithium battery.
I seen it too. But it looked like r10s
 

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Just saw on Ravin's facebook page that they were starting to pack for ATA show. They had a stack of new Crossbows that they were packing. I could not make out the Model number but it had a shipping label that warned of a lithium battery. So what ever the new Model is it will be using a lithium battery.
Gee, I wonder what that battery is for??? I sure hope it's for what I think it is. If it is, the ante just got raised again and it's going to get expensive to call that raise.
 
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