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I am looking for which string and cables to put on my r10. Was hoping to hear from first hand experience. TIA
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I personally like archery shack over the factory Ravin sets. Others will say that Factory Ravin is better because their dealer said so. Either will suite you fine but I prefer a double served string. And find I have less stretch with archery shack.
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Here is some information from 60x custom string website:
R9, R10, R15, R20, and R29 use the same string and cable length.
Bow string is 29" which can be purchased separate at $44.95
Cable is 6 5/16"
Bowstring and cable set is $144.95
Material is BCY, pre stretched and double served in the center serving area.
I recently received two bowstrings from this company for another brand of crossbow.
Putting the bowstring on my bow press that has the attachments for holding a bow
or cable string to build or reserve, I cranked it very hard after taking measurements
to see if the bowstring would stretch. Absolutely no stretch so I left the bowstring under
that tension for a few hours and still no stretch.
The crossbow press is the Snyper 5.1 manufactured in Spain where one can compress
vertical or crossbows, set up a vertical for remote shooting and build or reserve bowstrings
and or cables.
Wishing you all the best.
Take care.
R9, R10, R15, R20, and R29 use the same string and cable length.
Bow string is 29" which can be purchased separate at $44.95
Cable is 6 5/16"
Bowstring and cable set is $144.95
Material is BCY, pre stretched and double served in the center serving area.
I recently received two bowstrings from this company for another brand of crossbow.
Putting the bowstring on my bow press that has the attachments for holding a bow
or cable string to build or reserve, I cranked it very hard after taking measurements
to see if the bowstring would stretch. Absolutely no stretch so I left the bowstring under
that tension for a few hours and still no stretch.
The crossbow press is the Snyper 5.1 manufactured in Spain where one can compress
vertical or crossbows, set up a vertical for remote shooting and build or reserve bowstrings
and or cables.
Wishing you all the best.
Take care.
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I recently bought a new set of Ravin S/Cs for my R20. Not installed yet so I can't give any review yet but all I have been hearing is good stuff on them. If they are at all like the factory set that came new on my R20 they will be in the trash fast though.
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I do have a GAS string on one right now as I needed a replacement and had one. I did re-serve the center serving as theirs was too small and the nocks were slipping. If you consider GAS, I believe you have to ask for the .035 center serving....don't go less than that....I re-served at that diameter and it is a better release/separation from the string at the shot than a thicker .040 IMO. It has held up well and am at the 100 shot mark right now.....very little stretch as compared with the OEM. As Mark stated, the OEM strings and cables are fine and will maintain your warranty if that is a concern. I am going to try a set made by ThreadZ here this year. I really like the strings he builds for the XRs I have....the servings are really top notch.
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I can say from my experience with OEM on my R10 the new set I had installed in August 22 is still as of day before yesterday I checked ATA and it's only stretched 1/16. it has 70 or so shots on it. That seem to be holding up really well. I went with OEM for warranty sake also. Hope this helps😉👍
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If someone could prove to me scientifically that the material GAS or AS use is the exact same as OEM then I would buy from GAS. Why? Because the less money I give to Ravin a company who In all honesty doesn't give 2 chets who you are.
At least you can get Eric on the phone and talk.
AS I wouldn't use for personal reasons. Or I would use Perry who also makes a superb string.
So if I can get the exact product for the same price , why not give it to the little guy.. yes your warranty will be void. But that's why you never throw out your old OEM. 😉
At least you can get Eric on the phone and talk.
AS I wouldn't use for personal reasons. Or I would use Perry who also makes a superb string.
So if I can get the exact product for the same price , why not give it to the little guy.. yes your warranty will be void. But that's why you never throw out your old OEM. 😉
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As a matter of fact when I get home from my vacation, I'm going to look into contacting a lab that can analyze both strings and see what's what. What's that old Russian saying trust but verify.
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It seems some folks need to be reminded that Ravin does Not make their own strings. They use a Very High volume contractor who is highly automated. In fact, Eric Griggs with GAS will admit that they couldn't begin to produce the number of Ravin string sets needed by Ravin in just one year of sales. Neither could all of the other aftermarket string makers combined.
However with that said, I assure you based on my experience with using Archery Shack, GAS and Ravin oem strings, that Ravin oem strings are much improved these days. Actually, it's really all about the cables with a Ravin. Any good aftermarket string maker can make a replacement string that will hold up well over time.
But the Ravin oem string maker is now obviously using a different material for the cables. This material appears to be not only highly resistant to elongation but less sensitive to stretch when exposed to higher temperatures. It's also amazingly smaller in diameter which I suspect allows the cables to absorb a little more shock to help protect the limbs.
So many folks on CBN appear to love to bash Ravin these days. I instead congratulate them for addressing the one real weakness of their design. I have said in the past and will continue to remind folks on CBN that all of you combined represent less than 1/10 of 1 percent of crossbow users worldwide.
You'll know when Ravin is hurting when they assign a representative to CBN.
However with that said, I assure you based on my experience with using Archery Shack, GAS and Ravin oem strings, that Ravin oem strings are much improved these days. Actually, it's really all about the cables with a Ravin. Any good aftermarket string maker can make a replacement string that will hold up well over time.
But the Ravin oem string maker is now obviously using a different material for the cables. This material appears to be not only highly resistant to elongation but less sensitive to stretch when exposed to higher temperatures. It's also amazingly smaller in diameter which I suspect allows the cables to absorb a little more shock to help protect the limbs.
So many folks on CBN appear to love to bash Ravin these days. I instead congratulate them for addressing the one real weakness of their design. I have said in the past and will continue to remind folks on CBN that all of you combined represent less than 1/10 of 1 percent of crossbow users worldwide.
You'll know when Ravin is hurting when they assign a representative to CBN.
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Hi Bill,
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After the last string from Ravin....and these are the new version....I do not like the center serving separation I am seeing. I can re-serve the center as you know. As for the cables, I am seeing some fraying on the new ones at the loop ends that I have never seen before. Now....am I concerned with that? So long as I do not see a break and it does not get any worse then I am okay. As for the GAS string...it is holding up well but I have not put on the cables so I will tell you about that when the time comes. AS.....I know nothing about those at all but hear they are good. I spoke with Gary at ThreadZ and he does make the Ravin set which I will try here very soon.....really like his loop end servings.
I just hate when a company mandates that I use their strings and arrows to maintain a warranty....that is extremely underhanded....especially when I have seen multiple nock bushings come right out of their "premium" arrows. And, when you get first hand accounts from owners using their lighted nocks and having those nocks break apart and leave you with a mess it is a bit unsettling. I did contact them about the bushings for the R500 shafts for a friend who owns one and told them to use more adhesive and to this day I have yet to get a reply. And, Mark has yet to get a reply for the lighted nock fiasco he went through.
So, this is not bashing Ravin in the least.....rather it is bitching about a poor product that they have not addressed and will not go to the customer and rectify. So, I will not congratulate them at all as there are more weaknesses they need to address before I ever get to that point.
I really like my R29, R29X, and my R10X.....yes I have 3 because they are fast, hard hitting machines that are very good crossbows. And, I will not be giving them up anytime soon.
I hope this finds you well....you have a great wealth of knowledge and make some very nice items for the Ravins. I do not blame you one bit for liking them the way you do as I like them too....and so does Mark and a lot of others.
Fred
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Mine is fine for now.. time will tell.. not sure if you seen my thread this morning, but I am looking for a laboratory that can analyze both OEM and Gas strings to see if they are the %100 same material. Not doing it to start a string war, but I am hearing very conflicting things about them being identical.. We shall see.
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I heard what you did for the lighted nock issue but they never addressed it to satisfaction if I remember correctly. Glad the Firenocks provided the answer. I did see the other thread and would like to know as well. I am going to try ThreadZ this year and will let you know about that.....saving my old strings for a comparison
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My Threadz has held up pretty well but is now stretched out to 10 3/4" ATA and I do not want to put anymore twists in the cable. Still shoots great but is down to about 425 fps or so and was probably hitting 440 fps when new. The only thing I did not like was the orange dye they used on the cables flaked off like paint when I first started shooting it until it finally faded out in the sections that that wrap around the helicoil/cam. I like it more than the AS S/Cs I used before.
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I would be willing to send you some 452X, X99, and Mercury to send to the lab. Just pm me your address.
I believe Ravin uses X or X99, but don’t hold me to that. If you have a factory Ravin string, separate the material and measure the vectran with a caliper. If it is under .0030, it is X or X99.
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Here's what my Ravin cables look like after an estimated 100 hours of cocked time hunting last year and maybe 50 total shots on them.
They have zero fraying and no serving separation. They've also never been lubed at all after the initial installation and the ATA on my R10 has lengthen a grand total of 1/16". Of course, I liberally applied string wax on the unserved loop ends and half way up the cables when they were installed.
The string shown is a 2 year old GAS string with a .140 center serving. The camera flash makes the center serving wear look a lot worst than it really is but it still shoots great.
I'll probably replace the string before next hunting season with a Ravin string just to see if their new strings are as good as their cables. However, I'll probably replace the single served center serving before using the new Ravin oem string.
As far as using Ravin lighted nocks, I think that subject has been beat to death on CBN. If you must use lighted nocks, buy Firenocks.
As far as nock bushings being loose, yep, that unacceptable but of little concern to me because I don't use their nock bushings nor their arrows. IMO, a Ravin with it's railless design is capable of extreme accuracy if you take the time to tune it and use quality spine indexed and spine matched arrows. They are also capable of far better arrow penetration than many other crossbows on the market - especially if you pay attention to FOC balance and avoid very stiff arrows.
As far as mandating the use of Ravin strings or risk voiding your warning. That's a CYA statement. If their strings hold up and provide the elastcity you need with higher poundage limbs to prevent them from self destructing, it's most likely a wise move.
They have zero fraying and no serving separation. They've also never been lubed at all after the initial installation and the ATA on my R10 has lengthen a grand total of 1/16". Of course, I liberally applied string wax on the unserved loop ends and half way up the cables when they were installed.
The string shown is a 2 year old GAS string with a .140 center serving. The camera flash makes the center serving wear look a lot worst than it really is but it still shoots great.
I'll probably replace the string before next hunting season with a Ravin string just to see if their new strings are as good as their cables. However, I'll probably replace the single served center serving before using the new Ravin oem string.
As far as using Ravin lighted nocks, I think that subject has been beat to death on CBN. If you must use lighted nocks, buy Firenocks.
As far as nock bushings being loose, yep, that unacceptable but of little concern to me because I don't use their nock bushings nor their arrows. IMO, a Ravin with it's railless design is capable of extreme accuracy if you take the time to tune it and use quality spine indexed and spine matched arrows. They are also capable of far better arrow penetration than many other crossbows on the market - especially if you pay attention to FOC balance and avoid very stiff arrows.
As far as mandating the use of Ravin strings or risk voiding your warning. That's a CYA statement. If their strings hold up and provide the elastcity you need with higher poundage limbs to prevent them from self destructing, it's most likely a wise move.
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