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128 yard bow kill on you tube! Am I the only one who thinks this is fdup? I think people shooting animals at long ranges with bows and crossbows are lost... Sick in the head with no care about possible bad shots and suffering of wounded animals.. Just sad. Lots of our new age society has lost its way.. Take the shot for the video at all costs it will bring us fame.. Who gives two shits if we lose it and it dies of gang green next week
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I seen this too and just shook my head. It's lame and unethical and going to put new stipulations and laws in effect on Archery. These people are only out for themselves and give no concern for their fellow Archers and Archery alone. I said it before and I'll say it again, "it only takes one bad apple to ruin it for the bunch"! It's people like this that there are rules being put into deliberations for Archery. We are going to lose our freedoms !
You about nailed it. Nothing more to add.128 yard bow kill on you tube! Am I the only one who thinks this is fdup? I think people shooting animals at long ranges with bows and crossbows are lost... Sick in the head with no care about possible bad shots and suffering of wounded animals.. Just sad. Lots of our new age society has lost its way.. Take the shot for the video at all costs it will bring us fame.. Who gives two shits if we lose it and it dies of gang green next week
The buck I shot in rifle had gangrene from archery season. I pretty certain it was hit with a vertical bow. It angered me. No place for this crap. That being said, how does Levi Morgan get away with shooting a sheep at 101 yards with his vertical and he is hero?
He's not a hero in my book! If you want to brag,do it on a target! Not a live flesh and blood target that could die a slow death!!!The buck I shot in rifle had gangrene from archery season. I pretty certain it was hit with a vertical bow. It angered me. No place for this crap. That being said, how does Levi Morgan get away with shooting a sheep at 101 yards with his vertical and he is hero?
Yes hero idiots shooting animals that have survived a tuff life and escaped many predators...shot in the gut at 70 to 128 yards. When they maby would have walked by you or I at 15 yards the next weekend.. All hunting and fishing has gone in the total opposite direction.. Now it's pure blood lust glory video killing at all costs... It's gross
“All hunting and fishing has gone in the total opposite direction”???
Everyone on this board? All other hunters and fisherman? You? If that’s the case, we should “all” change or quit.
Everyone on this board? All other hunters and fisherman? You? If that’s the case, we should “all” change or quit.
I did a mercy kill on a nice 8 point 4 years ago that had been shot a month prior during muzzle loader season at almost 200 yards (I know who shot him). The buck was full of green pus/gangrene and had to be discarded. He was down to about 90 lbs on the hoof when I shot him and should have been closer to 200 lbs.
He would have been a heck of a buck in another year or two.
He would have been a heck of a buck in another year or two.
No not all or everybody just the surge to premote 100 yard kills these days... 25 years ago everything was headed toward more conservation minded ethics people where catch and releasing lots of fish now I see more pictures of boatloads of fish people kill for pics and give to the neighbors... And I know hunters that kill for pics and taxidermy mounts that don't even eat venison they give it all away to the neighbors along with most of the fish they catch... Plenty of good going on still sew but a ton of this TV and social media is brainwashing the new generation of hunters in the wrong way its just my opinion that's all“All hunting and fishing has gone in the total opposite direction”???
Everyone on this board? All other hunters and fisherman? You? If that’s the case, we should “all” change or quit.
Unfortunately there is no stopping it.128 yard bow kill on you tube! Am I the only one who thinks this is fdup? I think people shooting animals at long ranges with bows and crossbows are lost... Sick in the head with no care about possible bad shots and suffering of wounded animals.. Just sad. Lots of our new age society has lost its way.. Take the shot for the video at all costs it will bring us fame.. Who gives two shits if we lose it and it dies of gang green next week
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You know we are going to have people say if you practice! I personally do not agree with that long of a shot. A long time friend of mine had that mentality it would drive me crazy. There are just to many variables i know i will get a lot of slack for this comment, but it's not a rifle. Just my opinion.
Target shooting is a blast with xbows... Being able to pull bolts out of target and shoot without hearing protection and not buy more ammunition... Bow and crossbow huntings thrill to me was having the deer at under 25 yards hoping they don't hear me breathing. That's the real thrill to me up close with animals.. My heart does not beat as loud and fast when deer are 300 feet away vs 30 feet
A good example of why I watch very little if any of the hunting shows on TV or the web. Idiots act like they've never killed an animal before and go bonkers when they drop one. Saw a lady kill a gobbler on a show one time, camera quickly panned away from the hen she also killed standing just behind and to the side of him. Respect for the animal seems to be waning.
That aint hunting. That's target shooting.
I feel like this triggers my “Get off my lawn” attitude. The long range shooting itself irritates me. Bragging about it on YouTube or elsewhere is just so much worse. Just can’t accept it.
The following comments are generalities to the new archer mindset.
In spirit I agree with all the comments. However, when we see speeds pushing 450fps from Xbows the hunting mentality shifts with new people attracted to archery. There is a connection between speed and shot length in my opinion. Also, isn't it an ends to a means to get a competitive advantage to hunt earlier before gun season??? Then you have OEM marketing that either promotes or does nothing about speed as it relates to long range shooting. This story is part of the bad with the good with Xbow innovation and I just don't see how you put that genie back in the bottle. OEM's have to step up and put out a disclaimer on the negatives shooting long range (impacting the hunter mind set). Also, wildlife management should be requesting shot distance information data when you fill out your tag (Another subliminal mindset toward the hunter).
Yea, I get it..... Some will fudge on the data but it does bring a conscious awareness that is a negative regarding long range shooting in general.
Our Wildlife conservation leaders need to step up as well about the ethical responsibilities with hunters as part of our hunter education courses (Archery). If things like this continues I will accept that Xbows get put into the same category as guns or muzzle loaders. I know not popular but when is this going to end? Maybe require sights instead of scopes for Xbows.
These are general thoughts and I sure don't have the answers.
In spirit I agree with all the comments. However, when we see speeds pushing 450fps from Xbows the hunting mentality shifts with new people attracted to archery. There is a connection between speed and shot length in my opinion. Also, isn't it an ends to a means to get a competitive advantage to hunt earlier before gun season??? Then you have OEM marketing that either promotes or does nothing about speed as it relates to long range shooting. This story is part of the bad with the good with Xbow innovation and I just don't see how you put that genie back in the bottle. OEM's have to step up and put out a disclaimer on the negatives shooting long range (impacting the hunter mind set). Also, wildlife management should be requesting shot distance information data when you fill out your tag (Another subliminal mindset toward the hunter).
Yea, I get it..... Some will fudge on the data but it does bring a conscious awareness that is a negative regarding long range shooting in general.
Our Wildlife conservation leaders need to step up as well about the ethical responsibilities with hunters as part of our hunter education courses (Archery). If things like this continues I will accept that Xbows get put into the same category as guns or muzzle loaders. I know not popular but when is this going to end? Maybe require sights instead of scopes for Xbows.
These are general thoughts and I sure don't have the answers.
I didn't see video. Don't want to. The biggest problem with long shots with a crossbow isn't the animal jumping the string it's not knowing the exact distance of the animal. After 60 yards the amount of arrow drop increases quickly. Being off by 1 yard on distance at 100 yards is a high or low arrow. Wind affects arrows dramaticly at long range. Weather you believe it or not it's a fact that a deer will jump the string more at 20 yards than at 80.
Didn't watch. The video, but reading his comments bragging about it. I had to leave a couple negative comments myself.
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I watched … part of a hunting show yesterday. A woman killed a buck with her muzzleloader at 313 yards. "Black Powder" used to be about a 50 yard weapon when they got their own season. And by the way, she missed the broadside vitals by about 18" to the right and high, hitting the buck around the area where the cervical and thoracic spine meet. The deer impressively dropped like a stone, which of course overshadowed the terrible marksmanship. Her spotter had calculated wind effect and advised aiming about 1" to the right. Her 1" turned into 18"!!!
Few points here:
#1. As said, the genie is out of the bottle. Short range weapons evolving into longer range weapons will be used as such. And will be misused as such by people beyond their skill set; as in the example above. She had a 500 yard weapon and less than 100 yard skills. And as seen in OP's original YouTube video.
#2. Technical proficiency with a weapon is only part of the equation. Hunting skills and ability to judge animal behavior is critical as well. Part of my personal training or skill maintenance routine is "visualization" hunting through my living room windows. I draw down on squirrels, birds, cats, anything coming in front of the floor to ceiling window. I go through my shot sequence and self critique the kill shot. You get good at it. Once in every 100 or so make believe kills, a squirrel will go "squirrelly" and suddenly do one of their crack cocaine routines and make me miss. It shakes me to my core because I mentally envision a DMP incident. My point being, if the weapon is capable of shooting 128 yards, don't automatically think "nobody" has the skill to ethically kill at 128 yards. I thought I'd seen good shooters in my day, until I worked with some Special Operations Forces snipers. They redefined kill shots for me. So while 98% of hunters may not have the talent or skill, like the woman exampled above, but a few can do it. You just haven't met one ...lol
#3. That said, the odds are 99.9 to .01 that the guy in the video was over his head. Five animals all aware that he was there, and the target looking at him? The guy is a jackass. Took the shot because he couldn't get a decent shot all week? Then the fully in character adrenaline fueled "128 yard" rambling you always hear from that type of knucklehead? Worst part is in the "Comments" section where all the worker bees are lavishing praise on the egotistical dolt. Pitiful. This isn't the 1800's and/or subsistence hunting where you need to feed your family, this was "sport" hunting and ego gratification hunting. That wasn't sport, that was cruelty to animals that accidently turned out okay.
Few points here:
#1. As said, the genie is out of the bottle. Short range weapons evolving into longer range weapons will be used as such. And will be misused as such by people beyond their skill set; as in the example above. She had a 500 yard weapon and less than 100 yard skills. And as seen in OP's original YouTube video.
#2. Technical proficiency with a weapon is only part of the equation. Hunting skills and ability to judge animal behavior is critical as well. Part of my personal training or skill maintenance routine is "visualization" hunting through my living room windows. I draw down on squirrels, birds, cats, anything coming in front of the floor to ceiling window. I go through my shot sequence and self critique the kill shot. You get good at it. Once in every 100 or so make believe kills, a squirrel will go "squirrelly" and suddenly do one of their crack cocaine routines and make me miss. It shakes me to my core because I mentally envision a DMP incident. My point being, if the weapon is capable of shooting 128 yards, don't automatically think "nobody" has the skill to ethically kill at 128 yards. I thought I'd seen good shooters in my day, until I worked with some Special Operations Forces snipers. They redefined kill shots for me. So while 98% of hunters may not have the talent or skill, like the woman exampled above, but a few can do it. You just haven't met one ...lol
#3. That said, the odds are 99.9 to .01 that the guy in the video was over his head. Five animals all aware that he was there, and the target looking at him? The guy is a jackass. Took the shot because he couldn't get a decent shot all week? Then the fully in character adrenaline fueled "128 yard" rambling you always hear from that type of knucklehead? Worst part is in the "Comments" section where all the worker bees are lavishing praise on the egotistical dolt. Pitiful. This isn't the 1800's and/or subsistence hunting where you need to feed your family, this was "sport" hunting and ego gratification hunting. That wasn't sport, that was cruelty to animals that accidently turned out okay.
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