Well i ended up in New Mexico, Lincoln County in fact. Billy the Kid area, i am 6 miles from Lincoln old town to the east of us. So as i have watched the Mule deer seem to be out yonder like shots in the area of 45-85 yards. My Black Shadow 360 is on the bottom rung, also my MXB Charge. Those are the 2 i brought with me, my other 3 are at our friends in Mo. 2 of them won't cut it at that distance. Looks like my MXB 400 is going to be my main Western hunting crossbow.