Thanks for the heads up FoxFire2. In earlier days Specialized would not have been that gentle. You know I always feel tread on a little when Specialized road the forum but watching this I sort of miss it. Got to have some sort of order to plow ahead. Thanks to the Contributors. It IS a good informative tread in spite of the clutter.Okay, I have done some cleanup on the last several pages to clean this thread up at the OP's request. It is much easier for me to just ban those that are taking away from the thread's intended topic in the future and sometimes I will opt for the simple method. Please try to keep the thread on track.