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Interesting results !!!
Good job Big G !!!!!
Good job Big G !!!!!
Testing fixed blade broadheads with the crazy arrow
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Interesting testing. I'm really enjoyed it because so many of us try to get everything so perfect and matched equally in order to get the best hunting setup. Seems as though we might stress over things a little bit more than we need to but it's always good to try to build the best setup. Thank you for the testing as it did show that some inconsistencies can be tolerated
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So George, what are your conclusions, as it is your experiment and execution? Looks to me like any of the vane configurations do a reasonable job with consistency, but fixed broadheads do a fair amount of "steering" the arrow in their varying designs.
It was a good test and good on ya for doing it.
But from my own testing both with a vertical and a crossbow. You have to go to the extreme small size vanes before you start to see fixed blade broadheads pulling off poa.
For instance my pse expidite. I can shot a magnus ser razor on a arrow fletched with 3 heat vanes at 3 degrees RH and it will control the broadhead perfectly to as far as I care to shoot.
Same arrow and broadhead and I fletch it with 3 fletch RH 3 degree bohning x-vane sheild cut the itty bitty ones and my arrow goes haywire going down range. Bit I can then turn around and reflecth it with those same tiny vanes but do it in a 4 or 6 vane and it will control the broadhead perfectly again.
So I think it's not so much the shape of the vane but more so a balance of surface inches between vanes and broadhead.
But from my own testing both with a vertical and a crossbow. You have to go to the extreme small size vanes before you start to see fixed blade broadheads pulling off poa.
For instance my pse expidite. I can shot a magnus ser razor on a arrow fletched with 3 heat vanes at 3 degrees RH and it will control the broadhead perfectly to as far as I care to shoot.
Same arrow and broadhead and I fletch it with 3 fletch RH 3 degree bohning x-vane sheild cut the itty bitty ones and my arrow goes haywire going down range. Bit I can then turn around and reflecth it with those same tiny vanes but do it in a 4 or 6 vane and it will control the broadhead perfectly again.
So I think it's not so much the shape of the vane but more so a balance of surface inches between vanes and broadhead.
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So very little difference at hunting distances between vanes....so why not go with most durable and quiet all other things being equal. Back to Tac and Heat.
There was obviously a lot of work that went into this by George and appreciated! But IMO, to really assess the groups, you need a fast bow, a good scope and a solid bench rest which supports the forend and stock, eliminating any movement and user error. Also, 50yds is better than 30, but not always possible. Also, really only need to pick one larger fixed blade BH, as long as it spins true.
Do it according to your suggested criteria and post your results as George did...If you can.
We all will be anxiously waiting.
Don't wait too long.Do it according to your suggested criteria and post your results as George did...If you can.
We all will be anxiously waiting.
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Does anyone else shoot bare shaft to determine wether their xbow is shooting left or right spin initially? Mine come off spinning left ,so I fletch 1 degree left. Apparently it is determined by what direction the string is built.
Figured as much but was hoping you would throw us a 🦴Don't wait too long.
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This is something I'd be interested in. Apparently it was common in Traditional archery to factor arrow rotation in an arrow build?
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The rotation of an arrow, right or left, IMO does not impact the arrows POI. When thinking about the time it takes to establish the arrow's rotation, either clockwise or counter-clockwise, it occurs within a few feet of launch. By changing rotation based upon vane offset or helical, the time would be measured in nano seconds.
My grandfather had a saying, "sometimes we swallow a horse fly and other times we gag on gnats". I believe focusing on the rotation of an arrow is gagging on a gnat.
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BMiller posted a high speed slomo video of arrow coming of rail spinning left then coming to a complete stop then spinning back right with the orientation of the vanes. You could see the buck this put in the shaft. Tested mine with a unfletched shaft from 5 feet. Definitely spinning left. Took me a bit to locate left arms for my jig. I have been really happy with the consistency of my arrows.
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What was improved? Accuracy, speed, noise??
How did you measure the improvement? Or was it satisfaction that the arrow now rotates the same as it did when bare shaft tested? May have been a slightly misaligned nock causing the arrow to spin opposite the vane offset?
IMO, whatever the cause/effect relationship to the arrows rotation, the accuracy, speed and noise was not influenced enough to make a difference in a hunting situation.
Gnats!
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Seriously doubt bmiller had a misaligned nock. Not having to stop midflight and then rotate in the opposite direction can only lead to a more efficient arrow flight. They make left fletch for a reason. Plus, I am a hold my beer personality. 👹
Like the other rude guy would say.
If this is what you want then do it and post your results 👀
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Guess I don't see how that pertains to me or my question. But thanks for your input just the same.
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We first need to understand the bow is not spinning the arrow. The word spin means force is applied. In order to be accurate We should use the word influence because the arrows begins to roll.
Vanes on the other hand induce spin
So if you want to perform the test and the fletch in the direction of influence great go ahead. If you aren't interested in the test fletch the arrows in the direction you want the vanes to spine the arrow
There is no loss or gain in either method
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Ok ,i believe the way a string is built,either clockwise or counter clockwise influences the roll of the arrow.
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