I went out today and decided to try out my zeiss z-point which I bought last year for my vertical bow-ross 337 but never used. I am shooting an xcal phoenix with GT laser 2 probably getting around 290-300 in the speed deparment so I set it up at 10 yards app 2.5-2.75 inches high figuring it would be about 1-1.5 high at 20 yards dead one at 25 yards and app 2.5-2.75at around 30 yards. It took some getting use to since i missed the magnification that the vari-zone had to offer plus there was some wind to contend with t/o the day. I tried all distances and wasn't that happy with my results. Well the wind died down and I decided to take my time shooting and to my amazement the z point shot some pretty well. At first I was shooting individual dots then I decided why not concentrate on one black 2 inch dot. This was at 30 yards shooting off the railing on my back deck. Ok we all know what happened next two robin hoods.i should have stopped after the first one but i said it can't happen again but 2 groups later it did. I needed a reason to buy some more xcal arrows. I will experiment some more but I am pretty happy right now. Who knows an exocet could be in the works for next year as long as i get rid of my phoenix.:banghead: