[xcal_precision]

Personally, I don’t care about speed, but dependability matters greatly because I hunt 500 miles from home in the absolute middle of nowhere.

After having limbs break on two Excaliburs in a short amount of time in 2018, I called Danny Miller for advice on a dependable “bullet proof” crossbow, and at the time, he recommended a Stryker Offspring. After several years of use and thousands of shots, his advice has proven true so far.

same limb issue experience here with the excal supressor 400. Any time it was cocked I felt like I was on the brink of danger

 

[One eyed archer]

did you have it long enough to get a sense of how it would have held up over several thousands of shots and what the maintenance effort would have been to get it there.

Nope. Only shot it less than 100 times. Everything still looked like new but that's not nearly enough to get an idea on longevity.

 

[retrieverman]

What were the 2 Excaliburs?

Micro 335 and Matrix 380

 

[dpms]

what about plugging everyone's ratings into this to see what cream rises to the top?

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Heck. If you are included your Excal, I might as well throw my Mission Sub1 XR into the fray at 380fps. Accuracy 10, speed 7, reliability 9, price 6, size 7, weight 7, user serviceability 9.

The only reason I say 9 on service is one needs a little bit of mechanical skills just because of the cams, but all work can be done without a press and it is simple.

 

[xcal_precision]

I need more data for more bows.

 

[xcal_precision]

is there already a sheet on here somewhere will all of this info?

 

[xcal_precision]

should scores be tied to ranges for each measure? Such as speed score 7 = (390 to 400fps)...

 

[xcal_precision]

accuracy score 10 = 1/4 inch or less at 40 yard and such.

 

[xcal_precision]

accuracy

<.25"=10

.25-.5=9

.5-.75=8

.75-1"=7

1-1.25=6

1.25-1.5=5

1.5-1.75=4

1.75-2=3

2-2.25=2

2.25-2.5=1

>2.5=0

accuracy score chart at 40 yard. does that work? could do something similar for the other measures

 

[bowmanmt]

Ten point 505 or ravin 29x.
Just dont hit the limbs on trees and change out the strings every 18 months.
Great bows

 

[Huntersthompson]

How many shots before your R29X limb blew ,Duke?

 

[xcal_precision]

how could I do the reliability score chart 1-10?

shot based like no mechanical, limb, trigger issues
4000+ shots = 10.
3500-4000 shots = 9
and so on??

 

[xcal_precision]

speed, size, cost, and weight would be pretty straightforward. Servicabilty would be kind of tricky...

 

[xcal_precision]

I think service life/cost of wearable parts could be another separate measure.

 

[xcal_precision]

how could I do the reliability score chart 1-10?

shot based like no mechanical, limb, trigger issues
4000+ shots = 10.
3500-4000 shots = 9
and so on??

or should this include wearables like string??

 

[SEW]

Is it possible you’re over analyzing?

 

[Iron Duke]

Many people on this board have been or considered this path you’re on.

I’m going to give you a parallel. 40-50 years ago, fighter and fighter-bomber acft were judged on how fast they could go, their acceleration rate and g capability for dog fighting. Sites like Quora, etc have countless questions like could the F35 or the F22 out dogfight such and such latest Chinese or Russian fighter, which is faster, etc.. WHO CARES?

An F22 or F35 will have shot down/destroyed the other plane before they even got w/i 25 miles of each other. The Russian/Chinese planes (pilots) had no idea there was even an enemy acft out there. Who cares about dod fighting? It doesn’t happen anymore.

Fast fwd with crossbows. Rangefinders, modern multi lined or turret adjustable scopes or smart scopes and that small %age of speed difference of 400 vs 350 or even 450 vs 350 has become relatively meaningless - just like dog fighting.

Generally, the cost of really fast outweighs any advantages.

I once read ... if I recall correctly that almost every single dogfight kill was at mach 1.6 or UNDER! Probably has a lot to do with modern fighters not chasing mach 2.5+ anymore.

 

[TBrom]

Personally, I don’t care about speed, but dependability matters greatly because I hunt 500 miles from home in the absolute middle of nowhere.

I carried a single TenPoint to Africa for 14 days, much to everyone's dismay—especially the PHs. They begged me to ship another bow ahead. I told them that I knew my equipment and it would be fine. I'm not a speed guy either. I'll take 350 FPS over 500 FPS every time. I'm still bummed about the enclosed barrel KI. So much potential there, but apparently the cost doesn't outweigh the performance.

 

[Iron Duke]

I carried a single TenPoint to Africa for 14 days, much to everyone's dismay—especially the PHs. They begged me to ship another bow ahead. I told them that I knew my equipment and it would be fine. I'm not a speed guy either. I'll take 350 FPS over 500 FPS every time. I'm still bummed about the enclosed barrel KI. So much potential there, but apparently the cost doesn't outweigh the performance.

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Such a ... rebel. 😂 I can even see it in that string!

 

[xcal_precision]

Is it possible you’re over analyzing?

the other option is just buy the one that looks the most awesome in pictures which is what I've done up to this point