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I wear Woody Max Muck boots (on 3rd pair of Mucks) with a heavy merino wool socks and when it gets under 30 degrees I use Toastee Toes Foot Warmers. Works great and never notice the cold.
I’ll have to take another look at woody. I have had a pair but the soles have minimal grip and the heel isn’t well defined. At least that’s how I’d evaluate the ones I have. Good for snow blowing though.
 
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Pack boots are still the warmest with felt liners I’ve tried all the 1200 ,1500 gram stuff and pack boots are still the warmest just ask the Canadian. I ice fish & tried them all .
Pack boots as in shnees ?
 
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As far as traction goes. You could get a pair of ice cleats. These strap onto your boots and offer great traction. Like putting chains on your car tires.
Here in central Maryland we get near zero every now and again but when it gets icey around here, I stay home. Might be the moisture off the Chesapeake but it can get really bad. So crampons ain’t an option. 😳 must be some hardy hunters where you’re from!
 
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I really do appreciate all these comments! It gets frustrating since the big box stores have eliminated choice. 😳 I sat here taking notes reading your replies and I thought I should let you know I thank yo7 for passing along your experience! Took some notes this morning
 

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I got my custom mountain boots from Russell Mocasins years ago . Built with 3 vamps of leather in footbed. Perfect fit to each foot because you send in foot measurements. I can walk in them all day long
 
I spent a small fortune on warm boots and none seemed to work for me. Now I wear a nice pair of 600 gram boots and heated socks! If my toes get cold, i'm done and this coming from a guy that works construction outside in 20 degree, with a vest and short sleeves. My feet are my weakness when sitting still, always has been.

I have used my Lenz heated socks two years now hunting, and no cold toes yet. It cost me to find the right combo, but think I'm set now.

Good luck in your search, LOL.
 
I’ve seen the internet adds for these and they look great. But dropping this kind of $ I gotta try them n first. Do you know any retail places that stock some of these? They look like a high tech Herman Survivor from way back
I know what you mean on the $$, I was right there with you. The first pair I got were a set of used Schnee beartooth boots from the classifieds of an outdoor forum. At half the price of the new ones they were still just under 250$. I just took a chance. I wear a 10.5 and that’s they were. I was just tired of a 40 year quest of searching for a quality, big box store boot, that was just never there.
I have NEVER owned a pair of boots with the fit, feel, and quality on my feet that they provide, and I have dang near worn them all. I kid you not, even after several seasons of hard hunting, I will still look down at them in times of inclimate conditions and think to myself "damn, these are good boots!’"
I now have three pairs of different style Schnees. I wish I had started with them sooner. Why?, because my feet are worth it! LOL
 
I know what you mean on the $$, I was right there with you. The first pair I got were a set of used Schnee beartooth boots from the classifieds of an outdoor forum. At half the price of the new ones they were still just under 250$. I just took a chance. I wear a 10.5 and that’s they were. I was just tired of a 40 year quest of searching for a quality, big box store boot, that was just never there.
I have NEVER owned a pair of boots with the fit, feel, and quality on my feet that they provide, and I have dang near worn them all. I kid you not, even after several seasons of hard hunting, I will still look down at them in times of inclimate conditions and think to myself "damn, these are good boots!’"
I now have three pairs of different style Schnees. I wish I had started with them sooner. Why?, because my feet are worth it! LOL
Nice looking boots, but they look like they have a molded sole?
 
Unless you hunt in standing water, or need them for the job site, rubber knee boots suck. They make your feet sweat, offer no ankle support and of the last few years don't last for more than a few seasons before they develop pin holes and start to leak. The only brand I have had any luck with are from Boggs. I still have the original pair I bought with steel toes for quarry and construction job sites. They still haven't developed any leaks after 8 years of mud, water and shot rock. For hunting in the cold, pack boots like Schnee's or Kenetreks are hard to beat. They offer the best of both worlds for waterproofness and warmth. They work well for ladder stands but can be bulky for climbers or stick and hang on stands. Those options usually require insulated boots and maybe a pair of boot blankets once your in the stand. Unfortunately, the days of finding a good pair of waterproof insulated hunting boots for under $250.00 are getting fewer and fewer. After season sales may be the only way to save a few bucks if you're lucky.
 
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Nice looking boots, but they look like they have a molded sole?
it looks like they have a dual composite sole. It’s marked with a vibram trademark. It also has what looks to be a vulcanized rubber abrasion guard over the leather lower. My beartooths are light weight, they remind me of the browning kangaroo boots in comparison to bulk/weight ratio.

another thing the beartooth has is a friction loop for the boot laces between the bottom and upper lace hooks. You can have different lace tension on the upper and lower boot laces and they will not settle into each other. I had never even considered this until I got these boots. Sometimes I will tighten or loosen just one section of the boot laces to achieve long term comfort.
As with all things, YMMV
 
Being from Vermont.... when it's mild, like 40-50 degrees, I wear Lowa mountain boots or light rubber boots if its really wet and I'm not hiking too far. When it gets cool, 20-40 degrees, I use Arctic Shield boot blankets if primarily sitting. When it get cold, 0-20 degrees, I use a pac type boot and boot blanket when sitting for a long time. Lately I've been using Kamik Nation Pro with an extra reflective felt insole and an orthotic insole over it. Pac boots mostly suck for walking more than a few hundred yards, but these are better than most. They have a soft sole like the LL Bean boots so you can feel the ground, sticks, etc when still hunting. As a bonus, they are inexpensive, on sale now for about $50-60. Compare that with my Lowa's, which were over $400 six years ago.
The trick for me is to wear alpaca or good merino socks, have the boot blankets ready, and always have a big thermos of tea and energy bars. There are chemical boot and hand heaters in my pack that have been there at least 10 years for emergency. My sits are dark till dark for at least 30 days every season and the rest of my 70 day season is still hunting/sitting dark to dark. I can't remember the last time I had cold feet. Except for the time I broke through the ice in a swaup to my waist at mid-day and had to wait till dark for my ride.... had to build a fire that day.
 
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Being from Vermont.... when it's mild, like 40-50 degrees, I wear Lowa mountain boots or light rubber boots if its really wet and I'm not hiking too far. When it gets cool, 20-40 degrees, I use Arctic Shield boot blankets if primarily sitting. When it get cold, 0-20 degrees, I use a pac type boot and boot blanket when sitting for a long time. Lately I've been using Kamik Nation Pro with an extra reflective felt insole and an orthotic insole over it. Pac boots mostly suck for walking more than a few hundred yards, but these are better than most. They have a soft sole like the LL Bean boots so you can feel the ground, sticks, etc when still hunting. As a bonus, they are inexpensive, on sale now for about $50-60. Compare that with my Lowa's, which were over $400 six years ago.
The trick for me is to wear alpaca or good merino socks, have the boot blankets ready, and always have a big thermos of tea and energy bars. There are chemical boot and hand heaters in my pack that have been there at least 10 years for emergency. My sits are dark till dark for at least 30 days every season and the rest of my 70 day season is still hunting/sitting dark to dark. I can't remember the last time I had cold feet. Except for the time I broke through the ice in a swaup to my waist at mid-day and had to wait till dark for my ride.... had to build a fire that day.
The barrel with vibrum soles looks interesting. Made in USA and or Canada. I got hooked on Altera Alpaca socks after Cabela’s became BassPro. Expensive but really warm and true to size with my 12 but they said order 9-12 unless you need E width, then order 10-13. Good socks.

 
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Being from Vermont.... when it's mild, like 40-50 degrees, I wear Lowa mountain boots or light rubber boots if its really wet and I'm not hiking too far. When it gets cool, 20-40 degrees, I use Arctic Shield boot blankets if primarily sitting. When it get cold, 0-20 degrees, I use a pac type boot and boot blanket when sitting for a long time. Lately I've been using Kamik Nation Pro with an extra reflective felt insole and an orthotic insole over it. Pac boots mostly suck for walking more than a few hundred yards, but these are better than most. They have a soft sole like the LL Bean boots so you can feel the ground, sticks, etc when still hunting. As a bonus, they are inexpensive, on sale now for about $50-60. Compare that with my Lowa's, which were over $400 six years ago.
The trick for me is to wear alpaca or good merino socks, have the boot blankets ready, and always have a big thermos of tea and energy bars. There are chemical boot and hand heaters in my pack that have been there at least 10 years for emergency. My sits are dark till dark for at least 30 days every season and the rest of my 70 day season is still hunting/sitting dark to dark. I can't remember the last time I had cold feet. Except for the time I broke through the ice in a swaup to my waist at mid-day and had to wait till dark for my ride.... had to build a fire that day.
@smong2000 do u remember which model name Kami’s you bought?
 
I’m no expert on the subject but I will say that I went from a good insulated leather boot to a bottom line insulated rubber boot and couldn’t believe how much warmer they were. I bought a size or two big I think that’s critical, having something that isn’t too snug it cuts off circulation. I use Tidewe 800gram insulated about $110 on Amazon with a good sock and arctic shield boot blankets and a toe warmer pack great value for money. Coldest I hunted was probably 20F and feet weren’t a factor
 
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