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field point and broadhead POI

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#1 ·
Just getting into crossbow hunting and picked up a Barnett XP400 and mounted a Vortex Crossfire II scope. I've sighted-in the scope to 40yds and then set my magnification to match my fps and shot to 60yds. All good so far, I then switched to a Muzzy practice broadhead with the same 100gn weight as the field point and at 60yds I'm shooting about 8" high. What's everyones experience with field points vs fixed blade broadheads? Opening is in 2 days and I hope to be in the field in 4 days. Thx, Alex
 
#2 ·
Alex, welcome to CBN.

It's hard to find a fixed broad head to shoot like a field tip out of the box. That has been my experience with multiple fix blades I've shot. Tooth Of The Arrow is popular but out of my Xbows POA vs POI is off 4" low at 40 yards. Some have shared better results.

I have another fix blade I'm going to try but will only share if it's on point within two inches at 40 yards. To be continued on that front.

It's been my experience most mechanicals BH's match up better to field points. .

Good luck!
 
#3 · (Edited)
Sight in with what you intend to hunt with (broadheads). I sighted my Crossfire ll in as suggested in a vortex video on you puke. ZERO at 40 yards on highest magnification, adjust speed ring to manufacturer fps claims, then move target out to 80 yards. If POI is off, place your 80 yard dot on poi & without moving bow, adjust speed ring till 80 yard dot is where you were originally aiming. Repeat till satisfied. My Excalibur Boltcutters hit exactly where my field points do. In years past, if a broadhead hit different than field points, I only used broadheads to sight in & practice with
 
#7 ·
Ok, I'm going to say it.
Regardless of the weapon. Rifle. Handgun. Longbow. Recurve. Compound....etc

Where OTHER projectiles group......I do NOT care.

I know (LOTS) people tweak and twiddle and worry and fuss to get the same thing with field points as their chosen broadhead and (ALSO) pick broadheads BECAUSE they "group with their field points" and IN MY OPINION.....that's flat one of the most POINTLESS endeavors I've ever seen posted......UNLESS you are NOT GOING TO practice with your BROADHEADS.

IF your broadheads FLY WELL and GROUP WELL..........MISSION OVER.
I know someone's going to come up with some kind of blah blah blah about something "out of tune" and it's total BS. Once "in tune" so both fly together (IF possible) there will be ZERO advantage in PERFORMANCE of said broadhead's flight and performance on game......(except in someone's head).

Grouping and flying well is the ENTIRE goal.

Like 180 grain flat nose lead bullets in a 300 Winchester and 300 grain all copper Barnes bullets......they are NOT the same
even if the SAME WEIGHT.
EXPECTING them to SHOOT the same is .........just silly. WORRYING about it is....well, WORSE. ARROWS ARE subject to the SAME laws of Physics, like it or not.

AS ALWAYS......just my opinion.
Once I switch TO broadheads on ANY arrow flinging contraption .......that's ALL I shoot till end of season.

Should you WANT to tweak and fiddle with it, go for it. (y)
You will NOT kill a single head more of any kind of critter you hunt for doing so.
Your time, your money........MY two cents and ALL I'm going to say about it.
God Bless
Gramps
 
#9 · (Edited)
I agree with your mojo. Only caveat most expect same POI accuracy because marketing hype. Fix BH’s require what you are saying. Also, most mechanicals do not. Pick your poison.
 
#11 ·
I agree with Tom. I used to just sight in with my fixed broadheads and then not shoot any field points until after deer season was over. I took my Scorpyd DS 420 out a few minutes ago after realizing I had not shot a broadhead out of it for almost 2 years. I was shooting it yesterday with field points and it was hitting 1/4" low and 1/2" to the left and I thought that maybe that was where I had it sighted in for my Chinadermics. 1st shot this morning using a Chinadermic was 1/4" low and 1/2" left so the broadheads and field points are still hitting the same POI. A few quick turret clicks and the next shot with the Chinadermic was dead on. A well tuned crossbow should shoot most mechanicals to the same POI as field points.
 
#12 · (Edited)
Viper Tricks and Standard Tricks from Slick trick have always been and still are spot on out to 50 yards, with zero poi change from the same weight using field points in every bow I have shot them in. DOZEN's!

From 436 fps to 320 fps, with arrows weighing 417 grains to 543 grains, in arrows from 15" to arrows 22" long,,,,,, If your arrows are built right! You have to be sure they are spin tested that's it, but no broadhead is going to shoot straight if they are not straight!

In everything from a recurve to a compound, in bows with limbs in the NORMAL direction, to limbs placed backwards,,,,, ;)

I tried Muzzy, G5, and a couple other highly toted killers and foung the same results you are finding. Switched to Standard Tricks, problem solved, then tried the Viper Trick when it first came out and like the design even better, but results were still the same,,,,

same poi as my field points

Dead deer in my freezer

So today I am so sure of those results every time I,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, well lets just say a picture is worth a thousand words! :coffee:
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#13 ·
Viper Tricks and Standard Tricks from Slick trick have always been and still are spot on out to 50 yards, with zero poi change from the same weight using field points in every bow I have shot them in. DOZEN's!

From 436 fps to 320 fps, with arrows weighing 417 grains to 543 grains, in arrows from 15" to arrows 22" long,,,,,, If your arrows are built right! You have to be sure they are spin tested that's it, but no broadhead is going to shoot straight if they are not straight!

In everything from a recurve to a compound, in bows with limbs in the NORMAL direction, to limbs placed backwards,,,,, ;)

I tried Muzzy, G5, and a couple other highly toted killers and foung the same results you are finding. Switched to Standard Tricks, problem solved, then tried the Viper Trick when it first came out and like the design even better, but results were still the same,,,,

same poi as my field points

Dead deer in my freezer

So today I am so sure of those results every time I,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, well lets just say a picture is worth a thousand words! :coffee:
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#14 ·
My neighbor and I have had our Scorpyds for over 5 years now, and they shoot traditional Ramcats (125gr) within less than an inch of field point accuracy. I don't use the Ramcats anymore, simply because I prefer the cuts made with various mechanicals, but he still uses the Ramcats. My Scorpyd shoots around 415fps using 125gr head and his shoots around 380fps with a 125gr head, which lets you know they are very similar to field point accuracy at various speeds.
 
#18 ·
It really depends on so many things. My 380 hybrid and 355 SS recurves will shoot most any reasonable broadhead spot on with field points. One crossbow I love to shoot groups field points great, but like your bow, shoots broadheads high. That they don’t have the same poi as field points is a minor issue IF they group tight with other broadhead arrows. My bow opens groups from sub 1” to 2-21/2” with even mechanicals. That is not what I want. I shot my micro with Luminoks and broadheads today. TOTA XL heads shot 1-11/2” farther left than same weight Ramcats. I could easily just sight in for either one, since they both grouped tight, but I wasn’t satisfied. The arrows were 16” 2219s with 60 grain inserts. Before I settle, I will make up some 16” carbons with heavier inserts to see if more FOC makes them shoot better. Trying heads that shoot well for others with their setups may not help you a bit. Two days before the season, I would be trying some 125 grain, low profile mechanicals. Worry about getting fixed heads to shoot when you have more time.