This will be interesting

 

should be

 

Ive heard scorpyde before but I need brand and model.

 

There are old crossbows.
There are bold crossbows.
But There are no old, bold crossbows.

 

Well said and on point!

 

Had my DS420 since 2019, fling a couple hundred arrows a year, change S/C every 2 years, never a issue.

Wifes Tenpoint Titan M1 she's had since 2021, shoots around a hundred arrows a year, change S/C every 2 years, only hiccups was broke a Accudraw cord first year, switched to the blue improved hubs and been good since.

 

Had my DS420 since 2019, fling a couple hundred arrows a year, change S/C every 2 years, never a issue.

Wifes Tenpoint Titan M1 she's had since 2021, shoots around a hundred arrows a year, change S/C every 2 years, only hiccups was broke a Accudraw cord first year, switched to the blue improved hubs and been good since.

what is the make and speed of the DS420?

how fast is the M1?

 

Ten Point Nitro 505 ... and Ten Point TRX515 are fast and durable. That assumes that you're not including strings which in reality are disposables like car tires and windshield wiper blades. Ten Points are well made, of high quality and are the fastest on the market.

 

strings excluded. Seems like I see a lot of issues and accuracy probablems with those on here. You think those I read about are outliers and only 1-2% or less of those 500fps+ tenpoints that are out there doing work.

 

will the 505 or 515 do any better than 2 inches at 50 yards with custom arrows or has arrow tech not caught up to that speed yet. Or is it the bow design causing it.

 

Maybe WWB can weigh in on this one???

 

also I'm not interested in inaccurate anything so please exclude stuff with accuracy issues

 

Until someone puts at least 2000 shots on a xbow with no breakage,then you don't know how durable they are. S@C are disposables but anything less than 500 shots out of a set is a design flaw in my book.

 

here is what I have so far

Rank	Make	High Reliability Model	Accuracy	Price	String life (can let slide)
1	tenpoint	515	2 inch at 50yd	$3,200	shots?
2	tenpoint	505	2 inch at 50yd	$2,000	shots?

 

What is your definition of "fast shooting"?

 

I don't know what do you think the top tier is right now 480+??

 

lets start with 450+ as the top speed tier and see what that unfolds. Can bump it down to 425 if needed

 

470 vapor TP

 

I think my previously owned Scorpyd Aculeus 460 would just make the cut. It was so smooth, accurate, quiet and refined. Size was the only negative.

 

you mean the 480? Or is the 460 older

 

id have to be out in an open field to fire that thing off lol. massive. definitly holding that one backwards to walk thru the brush!

 

so now I guess size is also a major factor. I wouldn't want to deal with the above in the woods or small shoot houses

 

working with the excal suppressor extreme wing span last year in the brush and small shoot house was a pain

 

wish they would get this thing up to speed:

 

and drop it in a McMillan a5 for me I'd be all set

 

If a xbow shoots a 450 gn arrow 400 fps or better it should be included.... otherwise the gene pool is to shallow.

 

I had a 505 for a small period of time and accuracy wasn't an issue shooting AJ's custom Zombies. He had the weight on them at 486 grains with 100 gn head and 160 gn inserts. It would pile them in there with a lot less than a 2" group at 50. Closer to 1". I ended up selling it to fund a grapple purchase for my tractor. My targets were also not up to the task of consistently stopping it so I would have had to upgrade. Decided to move on and kinda regret it!

 

did you have it long enough to get a sense of how it would have held up over several thousands of shots and what the maintenance effort would have been to get it there.

 

I think. Aculeus 460 is 460 with 400g. Mine came with a signed 458/400. Within less than 50 shots 445/400.

 

how do you think it would have held up to around 4000 round and what would the maintenance have looked like to get it there. What was the accuracy at 50 yards?

 

what about plugging everyone's ratings into this to see what cream rises to the top?

 

what about plugging everyone's ratings into this to see what cream rises to the top?

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Heck. If you are included your Excal, I might as well throw my Mission Sub1 XR into the fray at 380fps. Accuracy 10, speed 7, reliability 9, price 6, size 7, weight 7, user serviceability 9.

The only reason I say 9 on service is one needs a little bit of mechanical skills just because of the cams, but all work can be done without a press and it is simple.

 

Many people on this board have been or considered this path you’re on.

I’m going to give you a parallel. 40-50 years ago, fighter and fighter-bomber acft were judged on how fast they could go, their acceleration rate and g capability for dog fighting. Sites like Quora, etc have countless questions like could the F35 or the F22 out dogfight such and such latest Chinese or Russian fighter, which is faster, etc.. WHO CARES?

An F22 or F35 will have shot down/destroyed the other plane before they even got w/i 25 miles of each other. The Russian/Chinese planes (pilots) had no idea there was even an enemy acft out there. Who cares about dog fighting? It doesn’t happen anymore.

Fast fwd with crossbows. Rangefinders, modern multi lined or turret adjustable scopes or smart scopes and that small %age of speed difference of 400 vs 350 or even 450 vs 350 has become relatively meaningless - just like dog fighting.

Generally, the cost of really fast outweighs any advantages.

 

Many people on this board have been or considered this path you’re on.

I’m going to give you a parallel. 40-50 years ago, fighter and fighter-bomber acft were judged on how fast they could go, their acceleration rate and g capability for dog fighting. Sites like Quora, etc have countless questions like could the F35 or the F22 out dogfight such and such latest Chinese or Russian fighter, which is faster, etc.. WHO CARES?

An F22 or F35 will have shot down/destroyed the other plane before they even got w/i 25 miles of each other. The Russian/Chinese planes (pilots) had no idea there was even an enemy acft out there. Who cares about dod fighting? It doesn’t happen anymore.

Fast fwd with crossbows. Rangefinders, modern multi lined or turret adjustable scopes or smart scopes and that small %age of speed difference of 400 vs 350 or even 450 vs 350 has become relatively meaningless - just like dog fighting.

Generally, the cost of really fast outweighs any advantages.

that makes sense. What Im trying to see for bow shopping is which one is at the top of the speed performance curve before the curve starts to fall off due to price, reliability, accuracy, size issues and such...

 

Personally, I don’t care about speed, but dependability matters greatly because I hunt 500 miles from home in the absolute middle of nowhere.

After having limbs break on two Excaliburs in a short amount of time in 2018, I called Danny Miller for advice on a dependable “bullet proof” crossbow, and at the time, he recommended a Stryker Offspring. After several years of use and thousands of shots, his advice has proven true so far.

 

same limb issue experience here with the excal supressor 400. Any time it was cocked I felt like I was on the brink of danger

 

What were the 2 Excaliburs?

 

Micro 335 and Matrix 380