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A swat broadhead i think would be my first choice. Looking hard at the vector because i shoot some from the ground and my thoughts are with the vector i would get more blood with the 4 blade entry hole
Or could go with x mag
Would appreciate any and all suggestions
 
Any broadhead can produce less than stellar results. Funny you mention shooting from the ground and bloodtrails. I shot a deer last year with a Swat Ballistic (4 blade, front deploying) which I think are now not sold anymore, from a ground blind. It was a shot that should have produced SOME blood as it wasn't bad at all. I found not even a drop anywhere. The blades were deployed when I found the arrow. With no bloodtrail, I did a visual search of the area the next morning and found it quickly. Swat is getting a lot of press. I don't think you can go wrong with them. There are other similar heads at much lower cost. If you shoot a few deer a year, the cost shouldn't be a problem. If you shoot/lose/break 9-12 heads a year, then I would explore other options.
 
Shot 3 deer with the same swat xmag ti last year without even replacing blades. Just touched them up with a ceramic sharpener.
I have a bunch of the xmag stx and a couple NOS to try this year. All 3 blood trails with the swats have been the best I’ve ever seen with a broadhead.
two were off the ground one from a tree. The shot from the tree was a little high. caught the top of the far side lung on the way out. Went 38 yards and crashed with blood spray everywhere. The other two were damm near like following a red carpet. Both Traveled less than 30yds. To say I like the swats would be an understatement.
 
There is no betting on what blood you will get. much less with which head. The first few dozen deer I shot with a crossbow I put an mighty effort into evaluating head and shot placement. It taught me that there is no predicting how far they might go with small fixed blade or huge cut mechanicals. Similarly shooting heart shots vs lung shots.

I have seen incredible blood trails from smallish fixed heads and seen zero blood trails from large cut mech heads. I had one fawn make over 350 yards with a NAP double cross with a blood trail I couldn't believe the deer had that much blood in it from a double lung hit. I have had more deer than I can remember with blown up hearts, hearts disconnected and loose in the chest and broadheads through the heart and had zero blood trails. I have had deer go straight down from heart shots, and deer manage well more than 200 yards with heart shots. I cannot begin to explain it, and I have had years of medical training.

I shoot decent heads. I make sure they are sharp. I do my best behind the crossbow. I have only ever in almost 70 years of killing them lost one deer that I shot. I am pretty sure there are no certain answers to these questions.
 
There is no betting on what blood you will get. much less with which head. The first few dozen deer I shot with a crossbow I put an mighty effort into evaluating head and shot placement. It taught me that there is no predicting how far they might go with small fixed blade or huge cut mechanicals. Similarly shooting heart shots vs lung shots.

I have seen incredible blood trails from smallish fixed heads and seen zero blood trails from large cut mech heads. I had one fawn make over 350 yards with a NAP double cross with a blood trail I couldn't believe the deer had that much blood in it from a double lung hit. I have had more deer than I can remember with blown up hearts, hearts disconnected and loose in the chest and broadheads through the heart and had zero blood trails. I have had deer go straight down from heart shots, and deer manage well more than 200 yards with heart shots. I cannot begin to explain it, and I have had years of medical training.

I shoot decent heads. I make sure they are sharp. I do my best behind the crossbow. I have only ever in almost 70 years of killing them lost one deer that I shot. I am pretty sure there are no certain answers to these questions.
My feelings exactly.
 
The first few deer that I shot with Swhackers had blood trails like pouring it out of a bucket. I thought "this is it". The next few barely had a blood trail. Yea, I found them all as they were hit well. Cant explain the blood trails as they were all pass thrus. Ive since left Swhacker and am now shooting the chinese branded Rages. Most of the deer Ive shot with these leaves good blood trails but Ive had a couple that only left a very little blood on the ground. Im sticking with these heads for awhile as I probably have enough bought up to finish my archery career.;):)
 
A swat broadhead i think would be my first choice. Looking hard at the vector because i shoot some from the ground and my thoughts are with the vector i would get more blood with the 4 blade entry hole
Or could go with x mag
Would appreciate any and all suggestions
I also hunt from ground blind and have never had Rage fail me.
 
I haven't had any issues with any of the three types of mechanical broadheads I've shot (Swackers, Rage, & Swat). I usually kill double digit deer with my set up, yearly. I try to find either of these type broadheads on sale. All shot very well, and I practice with each if I change types. This subject comes up every year. Many that have had success with a certain broadhead seem to believe they have the best thing going. This isn't necessarily bad as they have confidence in their set up. That's important! The best broadhead is the one that shoots best out of your Xbow, is very sharp, within your budget, and known to be reliable. Good Luck!
 
Backwater,

I have used all the XMAG variations and the Vector on deer.

The Vector was my first SWAT purchase .

I bought the Vector because this version was the closest broadhesd to the Rocket 2"x 2" four blade version I had used for many years.

That season the Hybrid performance one ideal, putting a nice buck down under 50 with a perfect X hole through both lungs.

Blades bent but did not break. It worked as expected.

Today I use the XMAG versions with .036 and .040 blades.
 
If I could design and use my Ideal arrow and broadhead is would be this:

The cutters would be like a saw blade, running about 10 inches back up the shaft. Razor sharp pn the front edge, and functioning like a barb. No pulling it out back the way if entered. A piston shaft that upon impact released four spring steel prongs at the end of the blades to prevent further penetration. Double lung one with that, and let 'em run. They won't go far with what that will do to the lungs, and by the time you are on your feet they WILL be dead! Having shot deer with 1950s vintage recurves and Zwickey heads, I never opened one of them up with lungs not completely destroyed. That includes one that I shot from 10-12 feet up a tree and 20 feet behind the deer while it was crawling under a barbed wire fence. I heart shot her, and she basically just sagged to the ground and was dead in seconds. I would guess that the diaphragm trying mightily to get some air into the lungs was as much responsible for the completely wrecked lungs as the arrow that did the wrecking. That was the second deer I ever shot, and the only deer after her that died as quietly as she did were all brain stem shots with a rifle. The truth be told, you wouldn't need any broadhead at all if you could stop the arrow inside the chest. Lungs are that fragile! Once you collapse one lung, the one that's left will start occupying more of the collapsed lungs space and be wrecked also. I cannot remember off hand any deer I double lunged with a rifle that made it more than 70 yards, and they pretty uniformly have a chest full of red soup upon opening. I have often wondered whether such complete destruction of the lungs was from the lungs destroying themselves, or if the bullet did all that damage. I have seen and photographed that kind of damage after an arrow passed through, but arrows often times leave the lungs remarkably intact too.
 
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Backwater,

I have used all the XMAG variations and the Vector on deer.

The Vector was my first SWAT purchase .

I bought the Vector because this version was the closest broadhesd to the Rocket 2"x 2" four blade version I had used for many years.

That season the Hybrid performance one ideal, putting a nice buck down under 50 with a perfect X hole through both lungs.

Blades bent but did not break. It worked as expected.

Today I use the XMAG versions with .036 and .040 blades.
After learning a little more today i think i will stick one with the stx
Thanks for the reply. Been reading your posts for a few years
Started out with excalibur crossbow still have it
 
If I could design and use my Ideal arrow and broadhead is would be this:

The cutters would be like a saw blade, running about 10 inches back up the shaft. Razor sharp pn the front edge, and functioning like a barb. No pulling it out back the way if entered. A piston shaft that upon impact released four spring steel prongs at the end of the blades to prevent further penetration. Double lung one with that, and let 'em run. They won't go far with what that will do to the lungs, and by the time you are on your feet they WILL be dead! Having shot deer with 1950s vintage recurves and Zwickey heads, I never opened one of them up with lungs not completely destroyed. That includes one that I shot from 10-12 feet up a tree and 20 feet behind the deer while it was crawling under a barbed wire fence. I heart shot her, and she basically just sagged to the ground and was dead in seconds. I would guess that the diaphragm trying mightily to get some air into the lungs was as much responsible for the completely wrecked lungs as the arrow that did the wrecking. That was the second deer I ever shot, and the only deer after her that died as quietly as she did were all brain stem shots with a rifle. The truth be told, you wouldn't need any broadhead at all if you could stop the arrow inside the chest. Lungs are that fragile! Once you collapse one lung, the one that's left will start occupying more of the collapsed lungs space and be wrecked also. I cannot remember off hand any deer I double lunged with a rifle that made it more than 70 yards, and they pretty uniformly have a chest full of red soup upon opening. I have often wondered whether such complete destruction of the lungs was from the lungs destroying themselves, or if the bullet did all that damage. I have seen and photographed that kind of damage after an arrow passed through, but arrows often times leave the lungs remarkably intact too.
How much they going to cost? :unsure:
 
After learning a little more today i think i will stick one with the stx
Thanks for the reply. Been reading your posts for a few years
Started out with excalibur crossbow still have it
Great choice on the STX!

Both deer taken last season didn't make far using the STX.

One STX burried into a log past where the carbon shaft started after a rib busting pass through.

After some careful extraction only one front bkade blade was slightly bent
 
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