[Wilkeysean]

Hoping ata show brings an all in one package. I’m so looking forward to coyote hunting with a crossbow and smart scope. I think we will see something like the garmin xero in the near future (hopefully soon) emailed every quality scope manufacturer begging them for something. Garmin and Ravin are the only 2 that replied. The sig is a nice unit I just want one piece instead of two separate things to do. Fast and accurate for a coyote that doesn’t stand still long is a must. Deer hunting usually presents you with more time but not always on large mature old bucks. To see a 5 year old plus whitetail with any given regularity is difficult because with any pressure he gone or nocturnal if not already.

 

[TX_RDXguy]

Hoping ata show brings an all in one package. I’m so looking forward to coyote hunting with a crossbow and smart scope. I think we will see something like the garmin xero in the near future (hopefully soon) emailed every quality scope manufacturer begging them for something. Garmin and Ravin are the only 2 that replied. The sig is a nice unit I just want one piece instead of two separate things to do. Fast and accurate for a coyote that doesn’t stand still long is a must. Deer hunting usually presents you with more time but not always on large mature old bucks. To see a 5 year old plus whitetail with any given regularity is difficult because with any pressure he gone or nocturnal if not already.

ATN is a likely candidate to have that all-in-one solution. They are close now with the bolt on ABL and they can bring IR and Thermal into the game as well. Size is an issue for ATN scopes on crossbows for many. I use the 4K Pro and it's big but not at all hard to use even in tight spots.

If 2020 brings a new player into the optic market it will be interesting to see how they are accepted.

 

[Wilkeysean]

So between sig, atn, Garmin, and Burris we have the technology and software. Now it just needs to be refined and put into one unit like the Burris eliminator rife scope. I believe the market exist for a company to invest the resources in. The only question remaining then is how refined in size can they make such a unit and will a company bring essentially software and design from 4 different companies together? I have to look at names to be exact but we have a few rifle scopes with the technology as Nikon is one of them also. To me it seems like Garmin and Burris already has the software complete for the xero and oracle and just need to interface it into a scope all while Burris and Nikon already have the scope. The cost shouldn’t be that great for either company because they already have the software and scope. I see us having an all in one unit sooner than later.

 

[Wilkeysean]

So between sig, atn, Garmin, and Burris we have the technology and software. Now it just needs to be refined and put into one unit like the Burris eliminator rife scope. I believe the market exist for a company to invest the resources in. The only question remaining then is how refined in size can they make such a unit and will a company bring essentially software and design from 4 different companies together? I have to look at names to be exact but we have a few rifle scopes with the technology as Nikon is one of them also. To me it seems like Garmin and Burris already has the software complete for the xero and oracle and just need to interface it into a scope all while Burris and Nikon already have the scope. The cost shouldn’t be that great for either company because they already have the software and scope. I see us having an all in one unit sooner than later.

I was wrong Nikon does not but Burris has everything in place to make it happen so I reached out to them. Hopefully I’ll get a reply.

 

[TomOnTheRun]

So between sig, atn, Garmin, and Burris we have the technology and software. Now it just needs to be refined and put into one unit like the Burris eliminator rife scope. I believe the market exist for a company to invest the resources in. The only question remaining then is how refined in size can they make such a unit and will a company bring essentially software and design from 4 different companies together? I have to look at names to be exact but we have a few rifle scopes with the technology as Nikon is one of them also. To me it seems like Garmin and Burris already has the software complete for the xero and oracle and just need to interface it into a scope all while Burris and Nikon already have the scope. The cost shouldn’t be that great for either company because they already have the software and scope. I see us having an all in one unit sooner than latyer.

So this is just a matter of time issue. However, I bet the marketing demographics says this type of innovation is more centric to a larger pool of rifle owners vs Xbow size markets /demograpics with buyers not ready to spend 1.5k to 2k for a Xbow to justify this type of scope technology. Maybe I'm wrong. Just may take longer to migrate downward to Xbows. Example: I don't see a man kung Xbow being outfitted with this type of technology to shoot deer in the 20-40 yard range. For some yes but a larger market of Xbow buyers I'm not sure it's relevant.

 

[ramrod]

Both Zeiss and Vortex failed terribly at a crossbow only scope that was high end. This unit that I have actually allows for a crossbow or a gun set up. Should you chose to go in another direction with your crossbow you can always move it to a gun.

 

[TomOnTheRun]

Both Zeiss and Vortex failed terribly at a crossbow only scope that was high end. This unit that I have actually allows for a crossbow or a gun set up. Should you chose to go in another direction with your crossbow you can always move it to a gun.

Ramrod,

Impressive and good to know. What is the sticker shock for this scope? Just curious.

 

[robertyb]

Ramrod,

Impressive and good to know. What is the sticker shock for this scope? Just curious.

This is a better price than I saw on Wyverns page.
https://www.sigsauer.com/store/bdx-combo-kit-kilo1600-sierra3-2-5-8x32mm.html

 

[bigbird1]

BUT what if you merely add a stepping motor to the HHA and a small rangefinder offset from your forearm picatinny rail. Wired connection or bluetooth between rangefinder and HHA and button attached near trigger guard.
Bluetooth to calibrate using a phone app. Anybody that understands how a 3D printer works can probably put the pieces together. Response time might be an issue but latest stepping motors are very fast and HHA could home to a more centric position after a specified time of non use.
Might just be coming from the great state of Wisconsin sooner than you think.

OK, some of you guys probably thought I was just full of it so I decided to write up a operations procedure for a low cost auto ranging scope solution that I hope some of you will read and tell me what you think. I'm thinking that maybe HHA or someone else might have already done this but if not, it might get them thinking about it.
This solution has several advantages over an expensive scope option:
First, you can use your existing scope.
Second, no smart phone app is needed and really no bluetooth connection is really required but the cost of a bluetooth connection is very small anyway.
It's pretty darn low tech and hence could be more reliable.
It incorporates a built-in backup so if you have a electronics failure in the field, you can still hunt just fine.

1. It merely consists of a modified HHA Optimizer that has a small stepper motor mounted where the dial handle is normally mounted. In addition, there's an added button and LED indicator mounted underneath the motor in a small enclosure with some electronics and a battery. There's also a simple slide lock to disengage the motor from the standard tape wheel.
2. Of course, you have to have a small rangefinder similar to the Leopold Vendetta 2 but you don't even need a digital display so it can be very small and inexpensive.
3. Finally you have to have a small pushbutton you attach near the trigger guard.

For those of you not familiar with them, a stepper motor, it's really just a digital motor that can provide a high degree of positional accuracy. So say it takes 3600 counts to make 1 full rotation, then it can have a accuracy of 1/10 of a degree. In other words, you tell it to move 1 degree by sending a count of 10 to it. They are commonly used in 3D printers so they are now very cheap because of volume production.

Here's my crude operations manual:

With volume production, I'm guessing this new Auto HHA Crossbow Speed Dial would probably sell for between $500 and $600 with the rangefinder included. BTW, I'm not looking for any patent. I just would like to see the thing built to provide a lower cost and simpler option for us crossbow fanatics.

 

[TomOnTheRun]

This is a better price than I saw on Wyverns page.
https://www.sigsauer.com/store/bdx-combo-kit-kilo1600-sierra3-2-5-8x32mm.html

Robert, I am quite surprised. That price is really not that crazy.

 

[TomOnTheRun]

Just saw the video for a gun for this scope. That's quite cool so this works on a crossbow?

 

[No1Rackmaster]

a scope and decent rangfinder for under 500.00.......whats not to like.

If you get the kilo 1600 rangefinder it has the auto diming for light conditions at dusk or dawn.
Plus 7 x for use in place of binos.......................

The scope has motion sensing. Good optics they say. The only draw back at all I can see is the scope weight.

I keep a range finder hanging from my neck at all times during hunting, so this would suit me well.

My leupold 1000i rangefinder just started having the fading led after 6 years.

 

[ramrod]

Just saw the video for a gun for this scope. That's quite cool so this works on a crossbow?

The one I am using is gun or crossbow. It actually ask for which during the set up process

 

[TomOnTheRun]

OK, some of you guys probably thought I was just full of it so I decided to write up a operations procedure for a low cost auto ranging scope solution that I hope some of you will read and tell me what you think. I'm thinking that maybe HHA or someone else might have already done this but if not, it might get them thinking about it.
This solution has several advantages over an expensive scope option:
First, you can use your existing scope.
Second, no smart phone app is needed and really no bluetooth connection is really required but the cost of a bluetooth connection is very small anyway.
It's pretty darn low tech and hence could be more reliable.
It incorporates a built-in backup so if you have a electronics failure in the field, you can still hunt just fine.

1. It merely consists of a modified HHA Optimizer that has a small stepper motor mounted where the dial handle is normally mounted. In addition, there's an added button and LED indicator mounted underneath the motor in a small enclosure with some electronics and a battery. There's also a simple slide lock to disengage the motor from the standard tape wheel.
2. Of course, you have to have a small rangefinder similar to the Leopold Vendetta 2 but you don't even need a digital display so it can be very small and inexpensive.
3. Finally you have to have a small pushbutton you attach near the trigger guard.

For those of you not familiar with them, a stepper motor, it's really just a digital motor that can provide a high degree of positional accuracy. So say it takes 3600 counts to make 1 full rotation, then it can have a accuracy of 1/10 of a degree. In other words, you tell it to move 1 degree by sending a count of 10 to it. They are commonly used in 3D printers so they are now very cheap because of volume production.

Here's my crude operations manual:

With volume production, I'm guessing this new Auto HHA Crossbow Speed Dial would probably sell for between $500 and $600 with the rangefinder included. BTW, I'm not looking for any patent. I just would like to see the thing built to provide a lower cost and simpler option for us crossbow fanatics.

Although cool scope technology and your idea is thought provoking I like how my current HHA setup works right now. Range your animal, dial my HHA manually to that distance. The rest is done.

Please take a moment to read our latest blog on the Sig Sauer BDX Crossbow System:
https://thehorizontalzone.net/

RR, just read your entire reviews!!! Very well done!

 

[Hunter 1945]

I live in South Arkansas and the areas I hunt are thick and wooded. The shot opportunities are usually close range, less than 30 yards. The new Sig Sauer scope would be wasted on me.. if I were younger like Tom, and traveled out west to hunt Antelope , elk and mule deer, where longer shots are the norm, I would buy the new Sig Sauer scope in heart beat.

 

[TX_RDXguy]

For $200, you can't beat this deal on the 3.5-10x42!

https://www.opticsplanet.com/sig-sa...uer-sierra3bdx-3-5-10x42mm-riflescope-30mm-tube-bdx-r1-digital-ballistic-r.html

 

[Hunter 1945]

Wow! $200. That low price kinda scares me. Maybe it's not such a hot seller.

 

[ramrod]

Although cool scope technology and your idea is thought provoking I like how my current HHA setup works right now. Range your animal, dial my HHA manually to that distance. The rest is done.

RR, just read your entire reviews!!! Very well done!

Thank you buddy! I have bunch more hopefully lined up for this year. I have some things in the works

 

[ramrod]

For $200, you can't beat this deal on the 3.5-10x42!

https://www.opticsplanet.com/sig-sa...uer-sierra3bdx-3-5-10x42mm-riflescope-30mm-tube-bdx-r1-digital-ballistic-r.html

Heck of a deal right there

 

[ramrod]

Like TX has stated, once you actually do the math this is really not that expensive for what you get. Once you have the range finder you can just add scopes and store up to 25 different profiles. I hunt with a rangefinder anyway. In the timber I’d most likely leave it on the BDX mode with fixed yardages. That way if big boy slips in quickly you can make that shot fast. Or just start out with a 30yd zero and handle it that way. Lots of options with this one