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Discussion starter · #21 ·
... the siege with magazine would most likely stop any intruder,shooting 8 inch arrows at 400fps.
I guess you have that from another, quite optimistic slingshot channel video.
With a reasonable arrow weight of 280gn, I measured well below 300fps.
I think he shot short Cobra bolts with less than half of that weight to measure this speeds.
I would not want to torture mine that way.
"Stop an intruder" is more a function of KE and momentum, and I measured about 45 ft-lbf with my Siege. About as much as I get from my vertical compounds.

hows your siege holding up btw?
Well so far.
Albeit I don't shoot too often. Just don't have the time and easy opprotunity.

ugh still, probably gonna go with the siege for plinking and backyard fun.
I had come across an alternative - which I might have bought if I had not already bought a Siege.
A bow sold here (in Europe) and the label "X-Bow FMA Supersonic".
I think the name/brand differs in the US, but you might recognize it.
A bit cheaper, lighter,, with lighter arrows and similiar/higher speeds advertised.
If I remember correctly, this system uses the same .245" ID arrows and arrow components.
 
Discussion starter · #22 ·
im guessing there be lots of compressors on sale if and when 900bar compressor comes into large scale market
can take years tho

meanwhile in some far away country:


its still 130-200€ for cheapest hand pumps
The only problem, you need a reeeeeealy long cable to go hunting with this setup ...:rolleyes:
But I like the idea.
 
i just realised that as its based on AEA HP MAX, shooting slugs from it, is more efficient than shooting arrows
albeit, bigger bores are under carry lisence in many country, including mine
 
over a year ago, i owned a venom drakon. had it shipped to the states. i loved it. i think it shot 13 inch,smaller diameter arrows, like the accmos ones you can get from aliexpress. but they said drakon on them. im used to shooting different size arrows out of my redback. up to 16 inches. i dont remember exactly if i was shooting a smaller 6.5 inch arrow, which is normally bad for an xbow. and watching joerg sprave shoot mini crossbow arrows out of the siege made me nervous for him lol. anyways, all i remember is both cams blowing up and sending shrapnel everywhere. the drakon i believe is the same design as the supersonic. but as fun as they are to plink with or small game hunt, my experience turned me off to that style. and ive read other reviews of cams exploding on ballista bat etc. Venom Crossbows Compound Pistol Crossbow from Venom btw, i still have the drakon press which can be used on the supersonic. if anyone in the buffalo ny area wants or needs it, ill give it to you.
 
Discussion starter · #25 ·
Finally tried two shots with the short and lightweight Cobra RX (a.k.a. Cheapshot) arrows, with 155gn weight.
Not quite the Slingshot channel results of 400+fps, "only" 350 (351 and 352fps, respectively).
And nothing I think is worth pursuing.

Another interesting thing I learned - don't shoot short arrows with high-power crossbows, unless you're ok with messed-up fletchings.
I shot one into a Bulldog target, which disappeared almost up to the nock. I had to take a pair of pliers to get it out.
Which left the fletchings in a ugly wavy wess.
But since they were not torn or ripped off, I heated them gently of a flame, and voila - almost as new !
 
Discussion starter · #28 ·
think Joerge has upgraded limbs
His arrows were supposedly 140gn, mine 155gn - not sure if that explains the difference.
AFAIK there are no stronger limbs for the Siege, only weaker one's (90 lb). Perhaps he has shortened string and cables.

My point is, 350fps does IMHO not justify breaking limb & string/cables over a short period of time.
I have to earn the money to buy new lims + strings.
He has money from YT and guys who like seeing him breaking things in front of a camera ...
 
Discussion starter · #29 · (Edited)
over a year ago, i owned a venom drakon. had it shipped to the states.
...
I know it's quite late to respond ...
But AFAIK this Drakon is the same that is sold here (Europe) as Junxing Drakon. Here a link to an Austrian distributor: Junxing Drakon Compound Pistol Crossbow 100lbs/290fps » Bogentandler.at
I think this name is revealing - Junxing is a large Chinese archery manufacturer, making crossbows, vertical compounds, recurves, components and accessories.
I think the other look-alikes - Ballista Bat, Mini Stryker and FMA Supersonic - are all contract-manufactured by Junxing, and rebranded.
With minor modification, perhaps. I like the foldable stock available for the Ballista, haven't seen it here.

PS:
Let me add the Junxing Mamba to the list.
I think under this name it is sold in Russia. The linked video is froma Russian archery dealer:

... and ive read other reviews of cams exploding on ballista bat etc.
This tiny crossbows shoot lrelatively ightweight bolts. Some of them extremely light (110gn), no wonder the crossbow explodes eventually.
 
Discussion starter · #31 ·
he JunXing Mamba comes with different limbs 120 and 150lbs afaik the 150lbs limbs do break more offen?
I would expect that to be true.
Most probably because of shooting the same insanely light bolts.
If you think of it, 150lbs is the average DW for "regular" compound crossbows.
Which of those tolerates a GPP ratio far below 1.0 ?!?
 
Discussion starter · #32 · (Edited)
Still experimenting with this crossbow.
A wonderful platform for that, cheap, easy to cock, and still powerful enough to kill small game.

Here a "poor man's scope" I am currently trying.
The current setup is experimental, so I just fixed it with masking tape to the top rail.

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Basically just a piece of carbon arrow shaft, "narrowing" the POV to a small area.
The small diameter is not really a problem, there is enough "side picture" to observe the environment of the target.

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I'm going to experiment with this over the Christmas holidays, and report back.
For initial tests I just taped it flat into the grove of the top rail, causing a zero parallax.
The POI was thus about 1" high, equaling the elevation of the "scope" towards the flight rail.
For a fixed installation, I consider elevating the back end in a way to match the POV and POI at about 10 or 15 yards.
As a side note, the two-fletched bolts this crossbow uses are hardly accurate beyond 30 yd, so I don't take further distances into consideration.
The advantages of this sight - no batteries, no setup, and ease of use.
(Maybe I prefer such simple solutions because I almost always forget to turn off the red-dot sight ... :rolleyes: )

Another project are self-made fishing arrows for this crossbow.
Probably coming tomorrow...
 
I like that 'scope' idea. Pretty nifty.

I picked up one of these a few years ago. No batteries needed. Takes a bit to get used to, but works really well.
 
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Discussion starter · #34 ·
The point of this sight is not to get 1" groups at 70 yards, you might have just a 50/50 chance to hit a car at this distance.
It is about hitting a squirrel at 15 yards, or a rabbit at 20 yards. And without long preparations and aiming.
 
Discussion starter · #35 ·
Here another project I pursued recenty, self-made fishing arrows for this crossbow.
As usual, the base were discarded (vertical) archery shafts.

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The two on top are regular carbon shaft with .245" ID, and 350 spine, the two below are 1816 aluminium shafts.
Both are reinforced with a snug-fitting beechwood rod, glued in.
Weights are about 370 and 410 grain, respectively.

The retention element is made from beechwood as well, secured with a nail as pin, glued onto the shaft & soaked with low-viscosity epoxy.
The hole & pin goes into the shaft (and the internal beechwood reinforcement), but of course not through to the other side...

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The tips are modified "regular" field tips.
I have drilled a 2,5mm hole through (1/10"), glued in a nail with the head cut off, and bent to a barb.
The two leftmost are glued with epoxy, the other two with hot melt glue.

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Below are the slider elements to tie the fishing line in.
The two to the right are made from thin copper wire wound into an asymmetric '8' - shape, and soldered together.
The left ones' are made from thin hemp string wound into an '8' - shape again, and soaked with epoxy.
The fit loosely over the shaft, and easily slide up or down.
Not looking too pretty - they are still prototpyes.

And I plan to try them out soon in my parent's pond, on plastic bottles of course ...
Obviously not intended for large catfish or gemfish, but smaller one's of 5 lbs or less.
And they are relatively cheap and easy to make or replace.
 
Discussion starter · #37 ·
think u could just duck tape for stopper?
That wouldn't work, because the arrow has to lay flat on the flight rail, to fly straight and for the string to catch the nock.
Thus you can't have a thicker diameter across the whole length that touches it.

It is self-evident that the arrow needs to be inserted with the retention block up ...
 
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Man, that fishing rig is ingenious. Love it.
 
Discussion starter · #39 ·
Man, that fishing rig is ingenious. Love it.
In fact, I saw a few commercial setups in YT videos, and reused the ideas.
You can't buy this stuff here.
It is not legal to use at the moment, but who knows - thinking of Bidenomics and Scholz's emergency state declaration ...

I am still working on the reel for the fishing line.
 
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