[JYates85]

Would've been nice if they had mentioned the fact that the original Hyper Raptor had some problems that were corrected on this model. That is one slick ass looking xbow!

 

[TomOnTheRun]

Absolutely different cam build vs Gen1 Hyper Raptor.

 

[MLMast]

I like what I’m seeing so far. If this 1 has the issues worked out I’m gonna be hunting with it next fall. Anyone know when they’ll be available?

 

[Huntersthompson]

Mine 410 with 180 shots.

 

[bunnyrabbit]

Mine 410 with 180 shots. View attachment 281576

Thanks for sharing.
Happy to hear things are working out for you.
Take care.

 

[TomOnTheRun]

Mine 410 with 180 shots. View attachment 281576

Nice patch work with the center serving. Let us know how it holds up. How long? 175 on cables is a major positive. Life after Gen1 HR release. Like it! There are some work arounds.

 

[bunnyrabbit]

As per the picture in Post #1, I have not figured out why they would name the Barnett
Hyper Raptor a BCX. Barnett has had a BCX manufactured in 2013 era as Barnett Buck
Commander BCXtreme 365. This is a very high quality, accurate crossbow once one
swapped out the torsion springs in the trigger box that control the latches to ones that
were not as brittle.

Wishing you all the best.
Take care.

 

[Farm Deer]

Those of you tinkering with the HR410 have done some really fine work.
Most recently I have completed some in-depth work on woven carbon shafts in various weights to solve some inaccuracy issues with bows 440 FPS and up supplied with 400ish weight arrows. My findings proved that a 1:1 ratio of FPS to GPI is the gold standard. When folks invest in the newer HR be sure to match the arrow weight to the speed rating, or greater, and you will be extremely pleased with the results.

Some like to shoot 400 or less arrows out of the HR410 chasing the speed limit. First, sub 410 arrows are hard on the bow itself due to the fact you are leaving energy in the bow rather applying the energy in the arrow. Choose an arrow with a 160-180 spine and a total build of at least the FPS rating plus 3%. Your accuracy will improve and the bow will shoot much smoother. Avoid adding tip weight to get to the weight. Doing this only causes increased shaft column buckle thus reducing accuracy. Concentrate on shaft GPI with 110 inserts, 100/125 tip, vane weight and nock weight relative to your desired shaft length to get to the desired weight.

Can you shoot "heavy" (high GPI) arrows; 450,460,,,,,,? Absolutely. Keeping in mind the affect on FPS. Heavy arrows, providing they are built in balance (correct FOC) will increase accuracy and make the bow shoot even smoother but limit extended range of the bow. 70,80,90, 100 yards would require massive hold over.

A 10.4 GPI shaft with 160 spine @ 18": 187.2
insert: 110
vanes: 20
nock: 12
tip: 125
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454.2 total would be perfect for the HR 430. Provide a smooth shot and deadly accurate if indexed.

All the great work everyone has done to make the HR 410 more reliable is fantastic effort. Let us not forget after all this great work that the projectile needs to be right for the bow shot out of.
FD

 

[archer36]

All of the arrows I have shot in the last 5 years out of my TenPoints have been in the area of 430 to 500 gr. I find it very hard to stay under that weight unless you go to great lengths to find 270 gr arrows (without point) which I will never use.
I am currently using 430 to 475. I used a 500 gr arrow to shoot my Eland in South Africa and it proved to be great medicine for such a large critter. I don't fuss over 25 gr anymore. The loss of FPS is largely psychological rather than practical.

 

[Farm Deer]

All of the arrows I have shot in the last 5 years out of my TenPoints have been in the area of 430 to 500 gr. I find it very hard to stay under that weight unless you go to great lengths to find 270 gr arrows (without point) which I will never use.
I am currently using 430 to 475. I used a 500 gr arrow to shoot my Eland in South Africa and it proved to be great medicine for such a large critter. I don't fuss over 25 gr anymore. The loss of FPS is largely psychological rather than practical.

I've lost count on how many times being asked; "What does that arrow chrono?" Fact of the matter, I could care less. I'm capable of calculating FPS however I could care less how fast I'm going, I'm looking for accuracy. When manufactures provide arrows that are way low on weight to either meet the stated speed or because this is what's in inventory, that creates many of the "My bow don't shoot accurately" postings.

I shoot out to 100 yards. Not for my ego but rather honing in on the equipment. Finding what works and what does not. I feel the arrow technology is just now catching up to the speed of the bows after lessons learned that with the ever growing speed, the arrow needs to follow.

When I can do this at 100 yards with a 470 total weight, screw the speed.

 

[archer36]

I've lost count on how many times being asked; "What does that arrow chrono?" Fact of the matter, I could care less. I'm capable of calculating FPS however I could care less how fast I'm going, I'm looking for accuracy. When manufactures provide arrows that are way low on weight to either meet the stated speed or because this is what's in inventory, that creates many of the "My bow don't shoot accurately" postings.

I shoot out to 100 yards. Not for my ego but rather honing in on the equipment. Finding what works and what does not. I feel the arrow technology is just now catching up to the speed of the bows after lessons learned that with the ever growing speed, the arrow needs to follow.

When I can do this at 100 yards with a 470 total weight, screw the speed.
View attachment 282552

I never shot more than 60yds for a number of reasons. I'm lazy 😆 and I will never shoot that far so I don't waste my effort. I also don't need custom arrows to get good accuracy under 60 yds. I have nothing against those that do. I consider myself a hunter first and shooter second. There are people that do one or both. I have a lot of respect for you guys that put in the work to do all you do, and it benefits all of us. It saves us the work.
Speed will be both beneficial and unnecessary. The use of laser ranging scopes reduces the benefit of speed and yet they are marketed on the higher end, high FPS bows. As bows get faster and trajectory is flattened inside of 45 yds, a single reticle scope should be the best option. You can change magnification without changing your POI. That's the problem with muti reticle, speed compensating scopes. Once you are locked into a certain speed, you are locked into a certain magnification (unless you use the centerline reticle).
I may have gotten off the subject matter a bit and am thinking out loud. The crossbow industry is getting out of hand. Selling us expensive products that we may not really need. But need is personal.

 

[primeduck]

I agree with the above 2 statements. I personally do not shoot over 30yds and target shoot over that, but......I do expect the arrow to hit exactly where the cross hair is. At that range it doesn't take very long to go from point A to point B. I've never had a deer jump the string.

 

[Farm Deer]

I never shot more than 60yds for a number of reasons. I'm lazy 😆 and I will never shoot that far so I don't waste my effort. I also don't need custom arrows to get good accuracy under 60 yds. I have nothing against those that do. I consider myself a hunter first and shooter second. There are people that do one or both. I have a lot of respect for you guys that put in the work to do all you do, and it benefits all of us. It saves us the work.
Speed will be both beneficial and unnecessary. The use of laser ranging scopes reduces the benefit of speed and yet they are marketed on the higher end, high FPS bows. As bows get faster and trajectory is flattened inside of 45 yds, a single reticle scope should be the best option. You can change magnification without changing your POI. That's the problem with muti reticle, speed compensating scopes. Once you are locked into a certain speed, you are locked into a certain magnification (unless you use the centerline reticle).
I may have gotten off the subject matter a bit and am thinking out loud. The crossbow industry is getting out of hand. Selling us expensive products that we may not really need. But need is personal.

The resolve to walking 100 yards to retrieve arrows is grandkids. Their "wants" of lego's and other kid stuff is earned my retrieving grandpas arrows for 25 cents each You are accurate in your assumption. I'm not a good hunter, I'm into figuring out a better mouse trap. I do hunt but not the best at it. I use an ATN 4K Pro so I can take video and photo's while hunting with my granddaughter (it's the time spent with her that makes every hunt a success) . I also like the ballistics that can be tuned to be spot on but also provide 3x14 magnification for those long shots. It's a heavy beast but has some very cool features that help evaluate the equipment.
Agreed: "Needs and wants" are two opposite ends of the spectrum!

 

[Huntersthompson]

I am running 13.6 gpi at 17 inch out of Raptor 410. 456gn . I take no credit for the xbow as it was a FD upgrade. These short extremely stiff arrows are proving to be dead on accurate as well as bone crushing strong. I do not have a way to test long distance at the moment but 50 and in are spot on. Exit wound. BH toast, arrow perfect.

 

[Farm Deer]

I am running 13.6 gpi at 17 inch out of Raptor 410. 456gn . I take no credit for the xbow as it was a FD upgrade. These short extremely stiff arrows are proving to be dead on accurate as well as bone crushing strong. I do not have a way to test long distance at the moment but 50 and in are spot on. Exit wound. BH toast, arrow perfect. View attachment 282554

Appears the BH needs a front end alignment

 

[Huntersthompson]

That was deer number 2 for that head at least. 👹

 

[TomOnTheRun]

FD, what a dynamic post. Shooting 100 yards with that type of accuracy is out of this world good. Also, it benefits both 40 yard in hunters and recreational long range shooters. Looking forward to testing a few arrow builds that are indexed @ 17" weighing 445 to 469gr with my (on the farm) updated HR riser.

Looking forward to the Gen2 Versa nock rated for 505fps xbows. It will compliment your data driven work with arrow shafts.

Shoot on!

 

[Farm Deer]

FD, what a dynamic post. Shooting 100 yards with that type of accuracies is out of this world good. Also, it benefits both 40 yard in hunters and recreational long range shooters. Looking forward to testing a few arrow builds that are indexed @ 17" weighing 445 to 469gr with my (on the farm) updated HR riser.

Looking forward to the Gen2 Versa nock rated for 505fps xbows. It will compliment your data driven work with arrow shafts.

Shoot on!

Well Tom, It seems the harder I work at arrow development the closer I get at accuracy, go figure!
I just built some 16.5" 466 grain arrows and shot this morning at 101 (where my bag target is) The center is wasted so my aim point was upper left BE. All 6 builds were within 1.5" of each other.

First pic below is my "Therapy". Others are the above mentioned build.

Yes, your riser is now perfect and you should see pin point accuracy at extended yardages. You and Ron keep this up, you'll be world record shooters

CNC aluminum version of the Gen 2 Versa-Nock HP below. Will be released once finite testing is complete. So far, a real serving saver.

Carpe Diem,
FD

 

[tree-rat]

As always FD great information & great read.
I have built a couple builds using your platform. Haven’t made it out to 100 yards yet but last weekend I stretched it out to 60 with a bow I never took time to zero and 15 for 15 were in the boiler room and that was 2 different arrow build brands . All I can say is it works! Thanks again FD for sharing your findings.

 

[Farm Deer]

As always FD great information & great read.
I have built a couple builds using your platform. Haven’t made it out to 100 yards yet but last weekend I stretched it out to 60 with a bow I never took time to zero and 15 for 15 were in the boiler room and that was 2 different arrow build brands . All I can say is it works! Thanks again FD for sharing your findings.

TR, Great to hear. It's amazing how we now have components that allow us to be so accurate. Bows, optics, arrows AND most importantly a great group to share experiences and knowledge.
Keep on stretching the limit for we never know the limit until it is exceeded.