If you get a new riser you might want to detune it a little. Say 415 fps. Those are aggressive cams and they might be pushing it just a little too much. 450 gn total weight arrows would help.

 

Well I blew up the new Centerpoint Sinister 430. This thing was shooting great then all of a sudden bolts to the right. I inspected everything & found no reason for the problem.

I decided to go thru their sight in procedure again. 10, 20, & 50 yards. I cocked the bow, turned around & realized my chair & bolts were still at 50.
I went & got them & by the time I got back the right hand limbs were shattered

Filed a warranty claim already and got confirmation so now I wait.
I would love it if they were just send me a complete new riser. Strings cables, cams, and everything just a slide on in one piece.

Greg

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Well that is not fun.
At least you seem pretty calm about it and happy with the warranty transaction so far.
Good luck and please do keep us posted if you don't mind.
Thanks.

 

That IS A catastrophic failure..

 

Yes it is…….been there, done that….but never with an Excalibur recurve.

 

I suspect they will send you a new riser or have you send the bow back for a complete replacement. Like said, when it's fixed slow 'er down with heavy arrows.

 

Well I blew up the new Centerpoint Sinister 430. This thing was shooting great then all of a sudden bolts to the right. I inspected everything & found no reason for the problem.

I decided to go thru their sight in procedure again. 10, 20, & 50 yards. I cocked the bow, turned around & realized my chair & bolts were still at 50.
I went & got them & by the time I got back the right hand limbs were shattered

Filed a warranty claim already and got confirmation so now I wait.
I would love it if they were just send me a complete new riser. Strings cables, cams, and everything just a slide on in one piece.

Greg

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CP has good service.
Sorry about yer bow. This is exactly why I liketa buy new bows in July. Early enuf to get bugs worked out by start o huntin season. As bad as this is, it woulda been worse in October. Don't git down, the sun will still come up tomorrow 😀.

 

I agree with everything you’ve said. God is in charge of everything, plus I have 9 other bows, lol

 

I hate to see that and agree with the advice here. Sad to say but it's a PoeLang built product and historically they are second class products. You would HOPE that CenterPoint would know that be 100% sure any of their products have the highest scrutiny. Now a limb failure can and does happen to all brands but the risk factor and frequency goes up considerably with PoeLang and HoriZone products from Taiwan. There are better choices in the same price point. Stick with the ManKung bows from CenterPoint. Wrath 430 and 430X, Amped 425 and any of the Sniper versions.

Hope they respond quickly for you and you can get back on track.

 

My Amped 425 is a total tank!!

 

The limbs look identical to KI limbs and this is how KI limbs have a tendency to fail you may end up detuning it a little like KI did with the X1 to remedy the limb failures they had at launchz

 

Hummm.... They have the same Taiwan supplier. Go figure.

 

That sucks. Sorry for your luck.

When you said it chronoed 430 with above 400 grain, I thought WOW. Guess it was too hot for the limbs.

 

Only shot that one time then moved right to my 525g setup

 

Center points, all junk. Lots of junk out there cashing in on xbow craze. I feel bad for you. I think Scorpyd that Bungee has is junk. I think Swats are junk. But that's me. Glad you did not get hurt

 

Thing is Ravin and Centerpoint are owned by the same company. Doesn't matter the brand, even Tenpoint and Excalibur break too

 

One of the worst breaks I've seen. Glad you weren't face on stock when it gave way.

 

Sorry to hear that Greg hopefully they get you squared away pretty quick. Good thing is you have 6-8 other bows .😂😂

 

I have a CP Sniper 370 that's 7 years old now doing just fine since the day I bought it and a CP Patriot 425 going on 2 years now totally trouble free! I like my Centerpoints and dont think of them as junk. Just my opinion.............

 

It’s pretty much this year that CP switched to a cheaper build. At least that’s my understanding. It may end up being a choice they’ll regret but only time will tell
My Amped 425 is an absolute tank!

 

Glad you were not hurt. Really sucks, but as someone said at least you have time to get it fixed before hunting season starts. No experience with CP hopefully they take care of you. In a failure like that I would assume they will want the bow back for QC review. Personally that's the route I would ask for. They can repair and test fire for you.

 

Center points are junk all crossbows including bows shouldn’t have a issue with there own arrows you shouldn’t have to use heavy bolts or arrows to save your limbs

 

I know nothing ... about CenterPoint other than what I read but I do agree with you on one thing: " all crossbows shouldn’t have an issue with their own arrows." "You shouldn’t have to use heavy arrows to save your limbs." If they advertise a speed with an arrow, the bow should have a full lifespan with that arrow weight! No bow limb should ever blow up with an authorized weight arrow.

 

What most don't notice or pay any attention too. Is new stuff stinks sometimes bad. IMO it not human odar as much as its what you carry in the woods hunting Bow arrows and scopes include. For example my rubber Muck boots they spend one whole summer as my weedeating boots because they stink. I bought a hawke scope one time i could not get the stench off of it and it wasn't going to wear off either. So i buy everything archery related way ahead of time. Its not the Bucks nose i worry about its the hard to tell how many young bucks and does i have to fool and how long i have to fool them.

Maybe this year just hunting for young does the pressure won't be so bad. Then i think who am i trying to fool lol.

Anyway hate it your bow broke. Glad its being fixed. Personally i would take no comfort it broke now that was just luck it could have just as easily broke during season. I would get a back up bow or plan on running to Wally World and buying a cheap bow real quick .

Good Luck .

 

I’ve got 9 backups

 

Hate to see it but it happens. Better to happen now than during the season. Centerpoint should get you back up and going again in short order! All the best!

 

That is a real bummer about your bow. Glad that you were not hurt. I don’t think your warranty claim should be a problem.

 

Off topic a bit here.....

Not sure why CP didn't pickup the new ManKung products, possibly timing, cost, bad judgement or the fact that the parent company is still dealing with a disaster product launch and a lawsuit or two. What shocked me most was the initial price point of these new PoeLang bows. It was up 10-25% over their ManKung bows and they were lesser performing xbows from a lesser manufacturer. Did CP bet the general public had no idea, possibly..... Sure is funny that you can get them now marked down and CP has been giving them away with a purchase of a ManKung built bow. Here's Your Sign....

The evolution of the Sniper 370 into the Amped and Wrath was a rational progression and they are good products, nice performers and outside being a little heavy (lot's a of durable aluminum pieces), very economical buys.

Stick with the girl you brought to the dance and continue to do what you do best CenterPoint.

 

In a perfect world....then there's reality. Take a twist or 2 out of the cables. Lose 15 fps. Try 450 gn. Twists can always be put back. Sometimes you gotta test to get that perfect combo.

 

In regards to the limb failure of either splintering or breaking, the limb manufacture
failed in one or more of the following: 1)improper ingredient mixture, 2)improper
curing or 3)removing from the mold too soon.

These limbs that have or are failing can be found on the early KI crossbows, the
no longer manufactured Carbon Express 390 Pile Driver, the Bruin Ambush 370
and several series of the rebranded Rocky Mountain crossbows and the mentioned
Center Point Sinister 430. Feredyne Outdoors is the importer for Rocky Mountain
and checking their website, some replacement limbs are no longer available, nor
are some of those crossbows.
These poor quality limbs could possibly be manufactured at the same plant?
These crossbows are all manufactured overseas and depending for which importer
company may be labelled under a different name.

I shoot the following Center Point: XT390 Sniper, Patriot 415 and Heat 415. Target
shooting with many hundreds and thousands of shots on each with pin point accuracy.

A couple things I have found on these: 1)the spacer block that fits between the
riser and the rail stock is poor quality but can be strengthened. 2)who ever assembled
the Heat 415 and Patriot 415 either installed the wrong cams or the wrong length cables.
This resulted in much lower speeds taking into consideration if a heavier arrow point
combination was used. One can refer to posts on this forum in the 2020-2021 era.

Checking Center Point and 60X Custom Strings website, they use the same length cables.

Testing and modifying, my quickest fix was installing cables one inch shorter. Shooting
430 grain arrow-point combinations, my speed went from 333 to 389 and lower 390 feet
per second with the Pro Digital chronograph placed one arrow length in front of the riser.

Wishing you all the best.
Take care.

 

I have been lurking here forever, and have learned so much. I appreciate TX_RDX and Bunny rabbit for info on the imports. The limb failures sure complicate buying decisions. I have had good luck with Centerpoint non ManKung crossbows. I have a Tormentor and got my grandson a Volt, that have hundreds of shots on them over several years. These are the two end cap screws in the end of the rail style (not a single riser bolt) that seem to have common failures in other brands. I can't determine the make between Poe Lang and Horizone, but parts are interchangeable across the retail "Brand" Am I lucky, or does CP have better QC in place with the manufacturers?


Based on my experience with CP, their customer service and a ton of research on parts and measurements.. I rolled the dice and just put a Dagger405 front end assembly Xpedition Viking 380 stock. My son bought My Granddaughter the Xpedition for christmas and did not register the bow. She is moving up from her fever recurve. When we got around to shooting it a limb began to splinter 10 shots in. So I “traded” her an old Horton Explored for her useless stock. I added a Killer Instinct stirrup and call this creation the Viking Lethal Dagger. The CP prod slipped right on. The Assemblies look identical. The cables are within 1/16 between the Dagger Tormentor and Viking. The Axle to axle made equal was a 1/4 inch not the half inch stated by Stated value. Dagger is supposed to have a 3/4 longer powerstroke than the Viking and Tormentor. We have put 40 shots through this assembly using silicone oil as string lube and 450 grain arrows. So Far So Good…


If it fails all I am out is $150 front end. My Granddaughter put a nice sponge camo paint job on it. I am outfitting 5 grand kids so I look for value. But limb failure will negate low price.It is easier with compound bows as I am able to pick up used Diamond Atomic or infinite edge adjustable bows. Low poundage bows don’t fail. Crossbows have been a tougher. I wish they still made the 150LB solid limb $250 Hortons.

 

I have been lurking here forever, and have learned so much. I appreciate TX_RDX and Bunny rabbit for info on the imports. The limb failures sure complicate buying decisions. I have had good luck with Centerpoint non ManKung crossbows. I have a Tormentor and got my grandson a Volt, that have hundreds of shots on them over several years. These are the two end cap screws in the end of the rail style (not a single riser bolt) that seem to have common failures in other brands. I can't determine the make between Poe Lang and Horizone, but parts are interchangeable across the retail "Brand" Am I lucky, or does CP have better QC in place with the manufacturers?


Based on my experience with CP, their customer service and a ton of research on parts and measurements.. I rolled the dice and just put a Dagger405 front end assembly Xpedition Viking 380 stock. My son bought My Granddaughter the Xpedition for christmas and did not register the bow. She is moving up from her fever recurve. When we got around to shooting it a limb began to splinter 10 shots in. So I “traded” her an old Horton Explored for her useless stock. I added a Killer Instinct stirrup and call this creation the Viking Lethal Dagger. The CP prod slipped right on. The Assemblies look identical. The cables are within 1/16 between the Dagger Tormentor and Viking. The Axle to axle made equal was a 1/4 inch not the half inch stated by Stated value. Dagger is supposed to have a 3/4 longer powerstroke than the Viking and Tormentor. We have put 40 shots through this assembly using silicone oil as string lube and 450 grain arrows. So Far So Good…


If it fails all I am out is $150 front end. My Granddaughter put a nice sponge camo paint job on it. I am outfitting 5 grand kids so I look for value. But limb failure will negate low price.It is easier with compound bows as I am able to pick up used Diamond Atomic or infinite edge adjustable bows. Low poundage bows don’t fail. Crossbows have been a tougher. I wish they still made the 150LB solid limb $250 Hortons.
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Welcome to the Nation. Centerpoint ManKung do seem to be pretty reliable. I actually have a Killer Instinct Rapid 420 myself that is identical to the Amped and Patriot models. Killer Instinct also use Hori Zone for their bows besides ManKung. I have never heard of many positives with Poelang products. Have you ran your Dagger creation through a chronograph? Looks pretty cool

 

IMO most of the time people look under the wrong rock to find the fix for limb problems.
Where are the limbs under the most stressed for the longest time when there bent right. To use a example of this let's use the old Excalibur. What bow is going to be the most trouble free a Matrix 330 or a 405. They use the same limbs the only difference the rail is longer thus the limbs are bent farther. I'd be willing to bet if you made a longer and longer rail you would get to the point the limbs would break without a shot fired on the reverse if you made the rail shorter and shorter bending the limbs less it's doubtful they would ever fail. The old excaliburs would survive a dryfire several of them .

So detuning the bow has got to help if that detune results in the limbs not bending as far and working as hard.

Arrow weight well sure a heavier arrow is easier on your limbs. Close a door slowly vs slamming it as hard as you can everytime. Ever get mad when someone slams your truck door to hard . I have never had set of limbs break while slowly letting the limbs down (uncocking).

The less you demand of something and the easier you are on it the longer it will last. This works on hammers also .

 

IMO most of the time people look under the wrong rock to find the fix for limb problems.
Where are the limbs under the most stressed for the longest time when there bent right. To use a example of this let's use the old Excalibur. What bow is going to be the most trouble free a Matrix 330 or a 405. They use the same limbs the only difference the rail is longer thus the limbs are bent farther. I'd be willing to bet if you made a longer and longer rail you would get to the point the limbs would break without a shot fired on the reverse if you made the rail shorter and shorter bending the limbs less it's doubtful they would ever fail. The old excaliburs would survive a dryfire several of them .

So detuning the bow has got to help if that detune results in the limbs not bending as far and working as hard.

Arrow weight well sure a heavier arrow is easier on your limbs. Close a door slowly vs slamming it as hard as you can everytime. Ever get mad when someone slams your truck door to hard . I have never had set of limbs break while slowly letting the limbs down (uncocking).

The less you demand of something and the easier you are on it the longer it will last. This works on hammers also .

I certainly get your point Joe, and agree about your example. With compound crossbows, I think it’s more about cocked ATA and string material (vectran or no). The cams should be designed for the power stroke (draw length). Too short cocked ATAhas the limbs overstrained for hours on a hunting bow.

 

I have 2 compounds as everyone knows LOL. I have ran them detuned (backed the limb bolts out) reducing the poundage. Other than my new bow strings 8125E( i know nothing about) they used 452X string material known for low to no stretch. Just because of the arrows makeup i have always shot a 450gr plus arrow. I would hate to guess how many shots these 2 bows have seen over barking at if not 10 years... plus time spent cocked hours and hours. I will add they were never shot just to uncock i always let them down.

I'll use the Mission 320 vs the Mission 400 both i had/have and used.

I run the 320 at its max shooting a 401gr arrow. It shot 333 fps with a 452X string and cables.

The 400's also using a 452X string and cables would shoot the same arrow 413 fp max poundage.

Now i change nothing except i reduce the poundage (detune) of the 400 until it matches the speed of the 320. What bow would you expect to last the longest? .

 

I’m sorry that happened to your bow and I’m glad you didn’t get hurt.