Wow pretty darn good groups. That thing balances good offhand too? What's the price on it?

 

Nice looking unit (I was speaking of the bow, but yes....the Jeep too ). Ditto on wondering what the price point is going to be.

 

Going to get one of these for next season, seems everyone is sold out right now.

 

That's some great shooting!

 

Folks I would have no idea what the price of the bow will be. Here is a picture of some 200 yard shooting just for fun. At 200 yards there is a 14 foot drop in trajectory. It took me three arrows to find my aim point and walk them in, once locked in I got a 7" group with the three final arrows. There was zero wind and the sun to my back. Through the scope I could watch them fly till impact.

 

Folks I would have no idea what the price of the bow will be. Here is a picture of some 200 yard shooting just for fun. At 200 yards there is a 14 foot drop in trajectory. It took me three arrows to find my aim point and walk them in, once locked in I got a 7" group with the three final arrows. There was zero wind and the sun to my back. Through the scope I could watch them fly till impact. View attachment 40681

amazone, and lancaster have it listed for $399, bowhuntersuperstore and eders have it listed for 359, none of them have it in stock. Called superstore yesterday and they said they would have it in 2-3 weeks. For that type of money I am willing to take the gamble.

 

Wow that's some far shooting! I must confess I'm just over 6 months into crossbow shooting, and 80 yards is the furthest I've tried so far with a Barnett wildcat c6. I have a very big yard I'll just have to keep practicing

 

Lax, not a lot of gamble to be had with any of the Center Point bows.

 

Muzzy88, here is a bow that Crosman never sold for whatever reason. It is a 410 fps 200 pound limb monster. I shoot it on a regular basis out to 300 yards. The best group I have ever held at 300 yards is 19". This is with perfect conditions, HHA optimizer and a fixed 7x scope with 80 minutes vertical adjustment. Even with all of this adjustment I am still aiming around 11 feet over the point of impact with a 27 foot drop. Its all for fun and unreliable as the day is long. In my opinion any crossbow becomes iffy past 80 yards and for hunting practices nothing past 60 yards in my opinion.

 

Semperfi1970 this will be my first year hunting deer with a crossbow. I'm restricting myself to 35 yards max this year. I'll be using my SA Sports Ambush. 70 ft lb of KE, not a beast but definitely more than plenty. By the way that Crosman bow looks awesome. The only crosman model I've ever tried was a friends XR175 recurve, and it was handy and light weight.

 

Muzzy88, that Barnett you have is a fine bow. You will find it very effective for hunting at sane hunting yardages. Where the Center Point bows excel is they are a lot of bow for realistic dollars. I have a few $1,200 bows and none are any more bow than the Center Point Sniper is. You cant go wrong with any of the compound Center Point bows. Most any bow will be accurate providing you use quality arrows. Find the right arrow weight and weight forwarding for your Barnett and it will amaze you with just what it can do.

 

The Barnett has been shooting great for me. I like its ergonomics, balance, and the fact that it's 125 pound draw and still producing 320 fps with 400 grain arrow. Pretty quiet as well. It's time for a new string and cable for it. What do you think 60x?

 

Muzzy, I replaced my Wildcat C6 string with 60X.
Used it to take my first deer last season at 30 yds.

 

A couple weeks ago I called CenterPoint to find out more about the two bows they tag as "Whisper", the Tormentor and Gladiator. In the back of my mind was the 90.9 db measurement that the Outdoor Life team recorded for the Sniper in their xbow review last August.

Maybe Semper could find a way to do a side by side test of the four CP bows to set the stage for what sound they make? There are quite a few affordable digital noise level recorders these days. What do you say Semper?

Can you help all the analytical types out here understand where these xbows fall in the noise category?

 

Nice looking xbow.

 

Dang man, what do you think. You think i'm made of money. The cheapest one I can find is $45.

 

Like my wife says, just go make some more....

I just ordered this BAFX meter off Amazon for $18.49. It's got to be a good one, right? Actually, I did find several good reviews and for what we plan to use it for, it should work. It even has wind noise reduction built in and at 30 to 130db rating +- 1.5db. it should work for xbow testing.

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I'm predicting the CP Whisper xbows are in the mid 90s db and the Sniper just a tad bit quieter. I'm curious to test the Sniper and see if it's a 90 db bow. Hey, I might be surprised.

And think of the points you'll make for doing this with the CP folks?

Keep us posted.

 

Dang man, what do you think. You think i'm made of money. The cheapest one I can find is $45.

OK, the $18.50 db meter is here and it appears to be the perfect tool for xbow testing. Pocket size and simple to use. It has Max & Min db settings to capture and hold either and it can be calibrated.

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This is a carry over from the Specialist thread....

Initial tests were done today on the old Sniper and my new Vortec. Both bows were tested sitting in a field pod with a 428 gn BEE. Measurements were taken 2-3" above the objective lens of the scope. Three shots were made from each xbow with no limb silencers and no quivers attached.

Ambient noise was 48-72 db.

Sniper:
1. 106.8 db 2. 106.9 db 3. 106.9 db

Vortec:
1. 112.6 db 2. 112.4 db 3. 112.5 db

I'll have the Specialist and Storm to test this coming week.

 

Interesting db results. I might have to grab one of those devices for myself. I wanna test my Barnett Wildcat C6 to see how loud it is.

 

It's a pretty slick little device. For $19 it's a reasonably priced tool. These recorded levels surprised me being as loud as they were. The Sniper is supposed to be in the 90 db range and a 106 db reading is notably loud by archery standards. I need to learn more about how the xbow companies test and where the meters are placed.

 

Personally, I want to know more about the scope and accuracy in that 20-35 yard range shooting freehand without a mono stick. What kinda grouping? How accurate is the scope all things equal to other Crosman crossbow packages.

 

Looks good. Do the cams have timing marks on them?

 

Dunham Sports has them on sale for $329.99 until Sep. 30

Just got one on ebay for $269.99. Was from Woodbury Outfitters. Quite a bit cheaper than on Amazon!

 

After shooting a CP 370 I was hooked, and headed to Dicks for one of my own. Before getting there I read this article which made me want to check out the 380 too. I ended up getting the 380 for under $300 . What sold me on the 380 was the balance of the crossbow. It is very easy to hold steady on a target. The only con I have is the safety is way is too loud for hunting. I plan on contacting CP and / or was wondering if someone here as fix.

 

I was told by someone with similar issue. His crossbow would allow you to switch safety on and off. He added some gun oil and really work into the safety and moved it back and forth and that made the safety silent plus easy to switch back and forth. Just a thought. I don't have your model. Might try it to see if it helps.

 

My crossbow collection just got a little bigger. I managed to score a Center Point Tormentor Whisper 380 for a song and a dance. My buddy at Crosman told me he can no longer get me great deals on crossbows. I guess this means I have to start paying at least their cost, way better that retail. But I did agree to do a review on this bow so here it is.

Tormentor Whisper 380, yep its a upgraded Tormentor. The upgrades consist of a better trigger group, better for grip (lighter, feels better in the hand), string stops with silencers on them and some real nice soft limb silencers. I like the new trigger the most. It is just a tad lighter, less travel and breaks very clean.

I must say as much as I love the Sniper crossbow and any variant of it the Tormentor is more at home in the woods, its just a great tree stand or blind bow. Very compact is an easy way to describe the Tormentor. At just 14" cocked this thing is as narrow as they get. The length is an easy to maneuver 35" stirrup to butt pad. With a solid non adjustable stock (minus the for grip, adjustable but silent) there are no moving parts to make any noise or vibrate during the shot cycle. The Tormentor feels very natural to shoot off hand sitting or standing, it just feels like an extension of the shooter.

Speed is an advertised 380 fps using the supplied arrows (400 grain) or a blazing near 400 fps using 350 grain arrows. I did all of my accuracy testing using Spynal Tapp 22" arrows at 456 grains for a real world 361 fps. Out of 10 shots put through the chronograph there was a modest 2 fps spread, darn good in my eyes. The bow was designed to sling 400 plus grain arrows, I don't recommend shooting under 400 grain arrows out of the Tormentor Whisper nor the first gen Tormentor.

I do not own a decibel meter but this bow is quieter than the first generation model. The string stops play a huge role in suppressing vibration after the shot. I'm sure the limb silencers do something other than looking very cool but shooting with and without I hear no real difference. Shoot the bow without the string stops and you will notice a large difference. Nothing like making a quiet bow quieter.

Accurate, well there are a lot of factors at play here,aren't there? The shooters ability to repeat, the bows ability to repeat, arrow consistency and that darn wind. Well I can say during my testing the only things that proved consistent was the bow and the arrows. Now that I threw my disclaimer out there to cover up for my ability I am at liberty to say the bow is very repeatable from shot to shot. I believe this is in part due to the acute angle of the string when cocked. I believe this forces the string to center every time, I find the Tormentor very difficult to cock off center, I have tried. Typical Center Point bows and Spynal Tapp arrows dictate one should not shoot at the same spot twice as it gets rather pricey. I will let the pictures speak for themselves regarding accuracy.

The scope is clear and functional. It was easy to sight in and has an accurate click value. It is not my favorite scope as the aim points have no yardage value that I can track reliably anyways. It is in my eyes what I like to label "tacticool". Wish they would have upgraded the scope to one of the illuminated ones, just saying.

Fit and finish is top notch. The camo dip is clear and attractive without being gaudy. It was a breeze to assemble as all parts fall into place requiring no fiddling or flexing to get parts into position. Like the first generation Tormentor I like the three bolt riser anchoring design. I have never been a fan of the one big bolt holding the riser to the bow. The attachment of the riser on the Tormentor is a big plus for me. The three bolt design to me ensures there will be zero flex or lean under tension before and during the shot cycle. In my eyes this lends itself to repeatability.

Accessories are the norm for a ready to shoot package. Three carbon arrows, quiver that functions very well, run of the mill rope cocker that should never wear out and a functional padded sling. I have no complaints about any of the accessories as they all prove to perform as designed.

The price point is attractive when compared to other compact bows with similar performance levels. For me its paramount to have a purpose built bow when going into the woods. The Tormentor is purpose built in that it was designed for hunting. Yes it is just as accurate at the bench as other bows but it excels in a tree stand or a blind. Its all about compact and little to no moving parts to fail, creek or rattle at the moment of truth. To me the Tormentor is like an Excalibur but in compound form. If you are a hunter the Tormentor is optimum but at a small premium.

All in all the Tormentor Whisper is another quality offering from the folks at Crosman. There is a lot to be said for buying goods backed by a American owned company that has been in business for over 100 years and has exceptional customer service.

And yes I had to sneak a picture of my Jeep into the review. LOL View attachment 39585 View attachment 39593 View attachment 39601 View attachment 39609 View attachment 39617 View attachment 39625 View attachment 39633

 

I just picked up one. I would like to know how you are getting 361 fps with a 456 gr. arrow? The best I have been able to get is 348 to 354 fps with a 403 gr arrow. Everything looks good on the bow.

 

just put one together and croney read 365 with a 420 gr. arrow..

 

OK, I was just over to buddy's house today shooting our Xbow's. He has the Sniper 370, and it shoots 365 fps. Mine (the Tormentor Whisper 380) is shooting at only 350 fps with a 403 grain arrow. I have rechecked the bow assembly with the instructions and everything looks just like the pictures in the manual. So what can be wrong with my xbow? I do not have a bow press to do any work on it myself, and there is no one in my area that can work on it. Is there some reputable shop I can send it to that can maybe get it shooting somewhere close to the 380 fps?