[frederick d. be]

I am currently at the ranch and witnessed a young 2.5 yr 8 pt hopping around while eating. Put the glass on the front elbow and bullet hole and blown out joint. Thought about ending it but he was calm and eating well. We have a 3 legged doe that made it at the front….so I will let nature dictate on this one. If I shoot him is the meat any good right now?….do not know so we will let him walk and if he gets worse then it will be over. Offspring of the current king of the ranch…..pretty rack and that is why someone popped him.


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[wis-redneck]

I've had injuries that I didn't feel the pain for a period of time and then I've had paper cuts or small sheetmetal splinters that were horribly painful. So many variables that make each hit on a deer unique. I believe some hits kill them before any pain is felt but I also believe the opposite is true for certain hits. In my mind I feel the most painful are probably gut or muscle hits and I feel the least painful or even no pain would be straight through broadside hits where the entrance and exit pass behind the shoulders.

I would also agree that some hits, especially with firearms, that the deer is dead before any pain. The speed and power of bullets is unbelievable.
Some years back, I was doing some in depth research on 12 ga shotgun slugs. I used a shotgun all my life for deer hunting, and was always striving to be the most efficient as possible. Until I closely checked the ballistics of the Sabot slugs I was using, it dawned on me that with the fps pf the bullet, that it when shot at a deer it hit and usually went through the deer before the sound of the shot reached the deer.

 

[wis-redneck]

I am currently at the ranch and witnessed a young 2.5 yr 8 pt hopping around while eating. Put the glass on the front elbow and bullet hole and blown out joint. Thought about ending it but he was calm and eating well. We have a 3 legged doe that made it at the front….so I will let nature dictate on this one. If I shoot him is the meat any good right now?….do not know so we will let him walk and if he gets worse then it will be over. Offspring of the current king of the ranch…..pretty rack and that is why someone popped him.


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I would think the meat would be OK, and if no Infection sets in the deer will likely survive and adapt. I once saw a whitetail doe with one leg missing. Don't know if it was a birth defect gun wound or auto accident. I seen no apparent blood or wound, but that deer could run just as fast as a normal deer.

 

[Ricochet]

I believe that deer feel pain. And I think it is every hunter’s responsibility, when they make a kill, to minimize as much as possible how much pain the deer has to endure.

 

[AJ01]

Well folks, I'll offer this...

We as humans, have a "Fight or Flight" response that is "programmed" into each one of us.
So do Deer and other animals.

Not trying to be ugly, inhuman, or insensitive I'll say this. I have seen people shot in the arm with a .22 pistol and die from it. I have seen people shot mid torso with a .44 Mag and survive.
I pulled up on a stabbing one night with the guy laying in the middle of the street with a steak knife stuck center mass of his heart. Every time the heart would try to beat, the handle of the knife would quiver.
Paramedics grabbed him up and flew to the closest ER. He lived. Go figure.
And btw...the knife had a 6" blade, and it was buried to the hilt.

Adrenaline is a crazy thing. It's what allows a 110-pound Mom to lift a car of her teenage son. I saw a guy fall 75 feet to the ground. Hit the ground and jump up and run about 30 yards before he collapsed. He was dead when he hit the ground. Broke 75% of the bones in his body.

Why would a Deer react differently than one of us? Everyone responds to trauma in a different manner. Everything with a central nervous system feels pain.

That's why you'll hear me preach this....
"Be Ethical in Your Shots".
You owe the animal that much in respect, for the life it just gave for you...

 

[kochie]

I have saw deer hit broadside with a bow flinch a little and go back to feeding then just fall over, only once in my life this happened but talked to others that has whitnessed this. So I believe they feel pain expesialy if you hit bone or make a not so perfect shot. 99.9% of the time they take off like they were shot out of a cannon..lol they have to feel some sort of pain.

my pain is when I miss

 

[Norm newsome]

my pain is when I miss

heard that..lol
It's better to miss than make a bad shot

 

[Barred.Owl]

Deer definitely feel pain and no facebook idiocy will convince me otherwise.


How much pain depends on the shot/adrenaline/animal/weapon. Adrenaline can mask lots of pain for a bit but it doesn't last long.

Most gun shots though (atleast for me and my 243) kill them fast enough that they probably feel little/no pain before they expire.

 

[Switched]

Before each hunt I offer this prayer...

"Lord, if you allow me to harvest one of your creations, I pray that my aim be true, my arrow fly straight, and may the end come quickly."

I pray a similar prayer myself.

I have read that they go into shock, and don't feel pain. I think they do? I have heard/seen them bawl loudly before.

 

[highoctane]

I bet dying in the wild of old age isn’t pretty either

Or being eating alive by coyotes.

 

[Iron Duke]

Not sure if the same method currently, but years ago, professional slaughter houses used a piece of equipment that was held to the animals forehead and fired a 22 cal bullet to the brain. However there are people that go to farms and butcher animals on location, they use the cut the throat method. Not a sight for the squeamish.

"Captive Bolt"... Sometimes in heavily populated areas where neither guns or archery will be accepted animals are netted then dispatched quickly & humanely with a captive bolt through the brain.

 

[JerryR]

Do deer feel pain?

Ran across this today, have no idea of the authors credibility but it seemed on point enough to see if others are familiar with this podcast. I’m not on Facebook so I’m hoping I can figure out how to listen to more.

The answer is yes and no

If they break a leg, an infected cut etc yes

But when they fall to being caught by a predator or are hit by an arrow or bullet that takes them out they don't feel pain as they are dying

 

[dynamo61]

The answer is yes and no
If they break a leg, an infected cut etc yes
But when they fall to being caught by a predator or are hit by an arrow or bullet that takes them out they don't feel pain as they are dying

Source please...?
I find it hard to believe that a wounded deer, or most any living creature, that is running to their death, or gasping their last breaths, does not feel any pain.
Adrenaline, or whatever, does not kick in that fast.
But, what do I know and hence the question.

 

[CT Crossbower]

Not too many things really bother me, other than that once in every 5 years you make a bad shot "spine" on a doe or a younger one and they wallow around in circles actually crying almost like bawling. No that gets to me and actually gets me thinking I should be out there. But then I come to my senses and keep hunting.

This happened to me two weeks ago, a young doe, she thrashed in circles & bawled so damn loud,I couldn't get out of blind fast enough to put another arrow in her. Freaked me out.

 

[JerryR]

Deer definitely feel pain and no facebook idiocy will convince me otherwise.


How much pain depends on the shot/adrenaline/animal/weapon. Adrenaline can mask lots of pain for a bit but it doesn't last long.

Most gun shots though (atleast for me and my 243) kill them fast enough that they probably feel little/no pain before they expire.

Then do a search for animals being eaten and pain and you will find tons of info

 

[JerryR]

Source please...?
I find it hard to believe that a wounded deer, or most any living creature, that is running to their death, or gasping their last breaths, does not feel any pain.
Adrenaline, or whatever, does not kick in that fast.
But, what do I know and hence the question.

Here is one, there are many

How do animals tolerate pain when being eaten alive?

How do animals tolerate pain when being eaten alive? by Donna FernstromAnswer by Donna Fernstrom:They don’t tolerate it. They go into shock. Shock is a last-ditch effort by the animals’s body to pr…

evolution2017blog.wordpress.com

There are countless videos that show animals fighing until taken down. Once the predator starts to feed its as if they simply give up and cease fighting

 

[dynamo61]

Here is one, there are many

How do animals tolerate pain when being eaten alive?

How do animals tolerate pain when being eaten alive? by Donna FernstromAnswer by Donna Fernstrom:They don’t tolerate it. They go into shock. Shock is a last-ditch effort by the animals’s body to pr…

evolution2017blog.wordpress.com

There are countless videos that show animals fighing until taken down. Once the predator starts to feed its as if they simply give up and cease fighting

Sure, to quote, from your link:

"They go into shock. Shock is a last-ditch effort by the animals’s body to preserve vital organs by reducing blood flow and energy consumption. The high adrenalin levels and endorphins associated with shock can act as pain killers. This is true of humans as well – a human traumatically injured in an accident may not feel pain until the shock wears off later. So, the animal isn’t calm at all. It’s mentally stunned due to its state of shock."

See that? It's a last-ditch effort. Therefore, in answer to the OP, yes, deer do feel pain, as does any mammal. Step on your dog's paw and see how it reacts. Pretty self-explanatory if you think about it...
Did you ever go into shock?
I have.
It can take minutes to happen after the traumatic event has occurred.
And...that doesn't mean the endorphins mask ALL of the pain.
Take an 8# sledge and whack your hand with it.
Then consider getting hit with 200 ft-lbs of force from a broadhead that misses your vitals.
See where I'm going with this?
Watch this video (last 30 secs or so) and listen what the shooting victim says about shock and pain.
The victim is ALREADY whacked out on smack, the strongest painkiller available next to fentanyl, prior to getting shot. Think about it.
WARNING: COARSE LANGUAGE AND GRAPHIC VIOLENCE:

 

[rt2bowhunter]

Of course animals feel pain. There's tons of examples. Here's a good one how does a single strand electric fence work. It gets touched and it hurts. If cattle or deer couldn't feel pain they would just walk through it. And we would have learned long ago they don't work.

When you go yote hunting you use a injured rabbit or bird call for example, crying out because it's hurt.

Ever heard rabbit dogs catch a rabbit it screams if they don't kill it fast. Most of the time this happens after its shot. The same rabbit dog tear the pad on its food. It hurts they limp and you have to doctor it and put them up until it heals.

This is just simply trying to ignore facts and common scenes making up your own reality so you can feel better about killing things.

Now are Deer tough they sure are. Huge difference between being tough and not feeling pain. Like anything they want to live and will fight to live until they just can't fight no more. Or there injury is just to great to overcome.

Are job is to do as much damage as we can at the point of impact. So the fight for life is as short as possible.

The question shouldn't be about pain. But did it suffer?

 

[JCAT]

Deer feel pain along with alot of Other Emotions. Watch them long enough it easy to see.

 

[Norm newsome]

Deer feel pain along with alot of Other Emotions. Watch them long enough it easy to see.

They are affectionate towards each other.😊