[robertyb]

If you really have to wonder if an animal feels pain just stomp on a dog's tail while it is sleeping. You might find out that a human is an animal that hurts also so it will be a 2 for 1.

 

[Norski]

Again, sorry to have stirred up a controversial thread, the title might better have been "How to deer feel pain".
No part of the video says they don't feel pain. Several hijacked the thread and turned it into something it isn't.

I hope some actually watched the 3+- minute video clip. They video mentions "Canadian Researchers" (I stated I can't vouch for their credentials) but the topic was interesting. Key takeaways include:

• Humans and deer bleed differently
• Both have Beta-Endorphins that reduce/block pain. Deer seem to have up to 10X the level at some times of the year.
• Beta-Endorphins kick in during the "flight" response to a stimulus (i.e. arrow or bullet)
• Beta-Endorphins seem to help with rapid blood clotting (i.e. the blood trail quit)
• Deer, having many more times the Beta-Endorphins seem to be able to stop bleeding from a wound that might easily be more disabling/fatal for a human

While the clip was on a Facebook (I don't have an account ), but the summary above has nothing to do with
Facebook. Its poorly titled as it deals with how the makeup of deer can cause a different initial response to a stimulus.

The are countless threads about how differently deer react to a shot. I commented "how a "seemingly" fatally hit deer can run 500 yards". In fact the hit might have been high, forward, thru a leg or other non-fatal area.

Again, there are many threads where hunters felt they had made a fatal shot, but had trouble or failed to find the animal. I'm not sure a human could run 500 yards with a 2" hole thru the leg (a poorly placed but maybe fatal wound).

All I was trying say is that the "Canadian Researchers", whoever they may be, have suggested that deer have significantly higher levels of "Beta Endorphins" than human, and this may account for their ability to be very unpredictable when shot. It seems to have some credibility and is worth knowing.
Hope everyone has a good New Year.

 

[Yelpy]

Does a dog yipe when you step on its tail? LOL.

 

[Norm newsome]

Happy New year to you too.
Right, deer don't bleed like humans.
They have anticoagulant in there blood that make it clot much faster than humans 😉

 

[Iron Duke]

If you really have to wonder if an animal feels pain just stomp on a dog's tail while it is sleeping. You might find out that a human is an animal that hurts also so it will be a 2 for 1.

Reminds me ... of a short story. As a young teenager I was laying on the couch with my black Labrador laying on the floor next to me. My much younger little brother was on top of me being a scutch. He jumped off me and landed right on the dog's cojones. In all my days, in all the sounds I've heard coming out of animals alive or dying, I NEVER heard a howl like that one. This is the same dog that ran into a steel bumper on a Jeep while we were going ape in the backyard and barely let out a little whimper. 😂

 

[Gabowman]

I have heard that death cry/bawl twice and yes it is hair raising.

AND.....it usually brings other deer in on a run! Who's the dummy wondering if deer feel pain anyway?!?🥺

 

[miles58]

I have never seen a or heard a well hit animal exhibit extreme pain. I have seen only one deer that was poorly hit blatting in that kind of pain.

I was trained from the beginning of my hunting to kill as quickly as possible. That did include shooting them in the head any time I had a deer inside 50 yards unaware of me. I have shot perhaps 30% of the deer I have killed like that. Many of those deer I was very unsatisfied with the result! The deer of course does not go anywhere. It hits the ground right now. But it also may lash around for a few seconds and rather violently at that. I have seen deer with the cranium completely and very cleanly evacuated by shots like that do exactly the same thing. When I am killing deer, there is not one smidgen of anything other than "Dave is making meat" involved, and Dave does not like to see that violent lashing about happening to his meat. I'd drop someone in his tracks if he did a stunt like that to my my meat with a baseball bat.

About fifty or so years ago I shot one looking at me such that the bullet exited the skull out the bottom towards the back. That deer was different! The head just sort of fell in slower than normal fashion and the body just sort of followed it to the ground. It was as if someone and just turned off the master switch! Being one of those people who cannot live without an explanation I did a THOROUGH exam of what hell I had done. The only thing I found different was that I had destroyed the brainstem. I intentionally shot the next opportunity just under the base of the skull and damned if it didn't produce the same result. In the intervening years I have shot many deer like that. All produced virtually the same result. That's the only way I have been able to produce instant death without the least bit of that lashing around. The brain stem is about the size of your thumb, and requires a very precision rifle and shooter to accomplish the job, and certainly is not for all but the best in terms of equipment and skill. But that is an instant kill, a painless kill, and doesn't involve that violent lashing around. The only movement that takes place after a brain stem hit that I have ever seen is maybe a couple minutes after, a leg(s) may move a little bit, as if Bambi is tryin to make a step slowly. I think that's just the muscles running out of oxygen. That hit will shut off all respiratory activity and all heart pumping instantly.

I have tried for years to duplicate this shooting squirrels. It can be done if you place the bullet just under their ear. Squirrel brain stems are tiny and a .22 lr does not afford the destruction that accompanies a CF rifle so there is some luck with them involved, but when you get lucky, the result is identical, the switch just gets turned off.

Before any halfwits start in with the BS about I will shoot their jaw off and Bambi will die a slow and horribly painful death, KNOW THIS...I have seen more deer shot in the head when shooting at the body and just flat out missed by other people, than intentionally. I put thousands of rounds down range per year solving rifles, and have never even considered taking a rifle hunting that would not keep ALL it's shots inside and inch at 100 yards. When I load ammunition, it's for one rifle and only one rifle. I have never in 60 odd years of reloading not clearly labeled the ammunition I load as the what each component is and what rifle it is for. Bambi always telegraphs a movement before it happens if you are paying attention. Ears move. Eyes move. Nose moves.

That's the only way I know of to kill animals with zero pain. Most animals are able to mask pain pretty well. Speculating about how much pain they experience is a fools errand. Some experience a great deal of what appears to be intense pain. Evolution has conditioned them every bit as well to mask pain as it has predators to spot and focus on pain. Hand in glove states the relationship as simply as can be done.

 

[Yelpy]

If you really have to wonder if an animal feels pain just stomp on a dog's tail while it is sleeping. You might find out that a human is an animal that hurts also so it will be a 2 for 1.

I didnt read your post until just now. First thing that came to my mind was a dogs tail after reading the topic.

 

[Barred.Owl]

Then do a search f

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[Iron Duke]

I have never seen a or heard a well hit animal exhibit extreme pain. I have seen only one deer that was poorly hit blatting in that kind of pain.

I was trained from the beginning of my hunting to kill as quickly as possible. That did include shooting them in the head any time I had a deer inside 50 yards unaware of me. I have shot perhaps 30% of the deer I have killed like that. Many of those deer I was very unsatisfied with the result! The deer of course does not go anywhere. It hits the ground right now. But it also may lash around for a few seconds and rather violently at that. I have seen deer with the cranium completely and very cleanly evacuated by shots like that do exactly the same thing. When I am killing deer, there is not one smidgen of anything other than "Dave is making meat" involved, and Dave does not like to see that violent lashing about happening to his meat. I'd drop someone in his tracks if he did a stunt like that to my my meat with a baseball bat.

About fifty or so years ago I shot one looking at me such that the bullet exited the skull out the bottom towards the back. That deer was different! The head just sort of fell in slower than normal fashion and the body just sort of followed it to the ground. It was as if someone and just turned off the master switch! Being one of those people who cannot live without an explanation I did a THOROUGH exam of what hell I had done. The only thing I found different was that I had destroyed the brainstem. I intentionally shot the next opportunity just under the base of the skull and damned if it didn't produce the same result. In the intervening years I have shot many deer like that. All produced virtually the same result. That's the only way I have been able to produce instant death without the least bit of that lashing around. The brain stem is about the size of your thumb, and requires a very precision rifle and shooter to accomplish the job, and certainly is not for all but the best in terms of equipment and skill. But that is an instant kill, a painless kill, and doesn't involve that violent lashing around. The only movement that takes place after a brain stem hit that I have ever seen is maybe a couple minutes after, a leg(s) may move a little bit, as if Bambi is tryin to make a step slowly. I think that's just the muscles running out of oxygen. That hit will shut off all respiratory activity and all heart pumping instantly.

I have tried for years to duplicate this shooting squirrels. It can be done if you place the bullet just under their ear. Squirrel brain stems are tiny and a .22 lr does not afford the destruction that accompanies a CF rifle so there is some luck with them involved, but when you get lucky, the result is identical, the switch just gets turned off.

Before any halfwits start in with the BS about I will shoot their jaw off and Bambi will die a slow and horribly painful death, KNOW THIS...I have seen more deer shot in the head when shooting at the body and just flat out missed by other people, than intentionally. I put thousands of rounds down range per year solving rifles, and have never even considered taking a rifle hunting that would not keep ALL it's shots inside and inch at 100 yards. When I load ammunition, it's for one rifle and only one rifle. I have never in 60 odd years of reloading not clearly labeled the ammunition I load as the what each component is and what rifle it is for. Bambi always telegraphs a movement before it happens if you are paying attention. Ears move. Eyes move. Nose moves.

That's the only way I know of to kill animals with zero pain. Most animals are able to mask pain pretty well. Speculating about how much pain they experience is a fools errand. Some experience a great deal of what appears to be intense pain. Evolution has conditioned them every bit as well to mask pain as it has predators to spot and focus on pain. Hand in glove states the relationship as simply as can be done.

It's the only ... shot that's sanctioned by the American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) as acceptable euthanasia. It's the shot the pros use. They drop instantaneously where they stand.

 

[archer36]

We don't know what deer think or feel.

 

[Dirt fahmah]

We don't know what deer think or feel.

I interviewed one once. Asked him if it hurt to be shot. He said "meh".
✌😁DF

 

[R. Toker]

This is me before each hunt………….

 

[AJ01]

It's the only ... shot that's sanctioned by the American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) as acceptable euthanasia. It's the shot the pros use. They drop instantaneously where they stand.

Why do you think police marksmen are taught to shoot for the "medulla oblongata" in hostage situation?
Severing the brain stem ceases ALL functions. No twitch, no jerks, no nothing. It's instantaneous death!

 

[Dirt fahmah]

Luckily the Facebook experts have come out with a Musical Documentary explaining their findings. The last couple years Facebook has really been at the forefront of scientific discovery.

Do to the graphic nature of this video, viewer discretion is advised.

Apologies in advance to the OP just trying to inject a bit of humor after crying so hard hearing about Duke's dogs balls.

✌DF

 

[Iron Duke]

I'm befuddled ... when I think how the animal lovers will gladly sanction bow hunting as being a fair method of deer density reduction because they see it as "fair chase." Yet they go emotionally psycho over sharpshooting that brings instantaneous death and zero suffering. Best case scenario an archery deer is still alive with brain function for 7 to 15 seconds. Worst case is the substantial wounding rates, slow deaths, crippling and long-term suffering. Otherwise intelligent people "just don't get it."

 

[pedroims]

Of course, they do. Unless is a perfect kill chances are that they suffer some pain. After being shot, are they aware of their imminent death? I don't know.

 

[Blacktail]

I concur with all of the members here that said animals feel pain ! Absolutely they do, some cry out in vocals with pain, some do not !

 

[Runningbuck]

Over the years I have done a fair amount of work on state and county roads. If you ever see a deer, get hit by a car and listen to it hobble away into the bush, they bawl like a Holstein calf. I have heard them bawl after being hit by buckshot on a deer drive too, not the nicest thing you want to hear. Like any animal they feel pain plenty.

 

[JerryR]

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Sorry I went back and added what was left out