Good question. Way overpriced comes to mind.

The Hellion is a completely different xbow than the Wrath. The only similarity is the narrow limb and cam design. It's made by a different supplier in Tiawan than their main xbow supplier, ManKung. Is it from Poe Lang or Hori Zone? I'm not sure but I'll guess Poe Lang based on the look of the trigger box. The Tradition is from the same supplier also and it's faster and cheaper.

I have no real idea what they think about when pricing. Surely cost comes into play but if I were to compare the Hellion to the Amped 425, the amped wins in performance, cable life (pretty narrow) and price point.

If history is any indication and it's rated at 400 fps, that was done with a 350/370 gn arrow. Plan on 385 fps or so with a 400 gn arrow. That puts it a tad faster than the Sniper 385.

I haven't seen one in the retail locations that sell CenterPoint, so the jury is out on fit and finish, cocking ease and the trigger.

The Amped and Wrath would get my vote from the CP stable.

 

Looks very similar to the KI Furious 9.5 to me. Limbs, cams, riser, string stops. That would be Hori Zone. Probably lighter than the Wrath, but they don’t have the rep for durability.

 

It will be interesting to see what it washes out to be. Might be a really sweet bow or might be an overpriced turd. Either way, time will tell. I ran across it by accident on the Internet somehow and tried to find some reviews to watch but to no avail. Boo

 

I doubt it would be a turd. Overpriced? Certainly a bit. Surprised that after a few years of Mankung only, CP again has some Poelang bows, as well as this one that seems Hori Zone. Probably nice enough, if the limbs don’t have splintering issues.

 

It is cheaper to sub contract in many cases. This reduces the amount of
equipment required and extra staff. Where this can back fire is if the sub
contractor goes out of business, then one has to try and find another
to manufacture the required parts. This is where the customer can run
into a big problem.

Wishing you all the best.
Take care.

 

It is cheaper to sub contract in many cases. This reduces the amount of
equipment required and extra staff. Where this can back fire is if the sub
contractor goes out of business, then one has to try and find another
to manufacture the required parts. This is where the customer can run
into a big problem.

Wishing you all the best.
Take care.

I totally get it that a manufacturer would possibly need a foundry, full machine shop, lamination equipment, injection molding setup, anodizing vat, string building, etc. just to make a crossbow. It could seriously drive up the price if everything was done in house.

 

It the $899.00 price tag that is alarming. Centerpoint is pricing themselves out of the affordable market without providing a great out of the box trigger..
They might wanna put the cart back behind the horse.

 

Is the $899.00 price tag that is alarming. Centerpoint is pricing themselves out of the affordable market without providing a great out of the box trigger..
They might wanna put the cart back behind the horse.

That was kind of my thinking with the original post. I realize manufacturers want to make products to appeal to as many potential customers as possible. Think Tasco for a moment if you will. They made some absolute junk back in the day for air rifles and packaged scopes on some 22’s. But…they also made some fine scopes as well at a higher price point. It was very much a “get what you pay for” proposition that was in a relatively predictable scale of price/quality. Unfortunately, the effect it had on me was mostly to just avoid Tasco altogether. Centerpoint clearly has some products that are much closer to the entry level, but what they don’t have is anything in the top end of the market. Seems like they got hung up on the lower end of mid-range. While I love my Centerpoint bows, they do not have the feel that Ravin, Mission, Ten Point’s upper tier bows offer. Obviously that includes a good trigger, which a crossbow at even $600 should have. There is no “good” reason to have a trigger on an $800 CP400 feel just like the one on a $250 Sniper 370. I have many rifles in the same price range as my two crossbows and the triggers on them are wonderful, comparatively. It isn’t about liability.

 

I have 2 cp400s and they are great bows once you take care of the trigger, and install some goods threads, they both shoot the same and there is nothing else to do to these bows accept wax strings and shoot them, not complaining but I do like to tinker. I did get another brand bow in the last week and I can see some difference in feel and noise, the one I got to tinker with really is starting to open my eyes about how a good American made higher end crossbow is really impressive, and it makes me a little proud to have a xbow that has American made engraved on the side of the bow. Getting a little more patriotic over the past few months with the way the world has become, even switched my work boots to Thurgood's and can really tell a difference in everything about those boots. Sort of forgotten how quality products made in America really are with most everything coming from overseas, anyway the verdict is still out on the new bow but from what its showing me so far I might have found a new favorite bow to take to the woods this year

 

Has anyone laid hands on one of these yet? I’ve been trying to find any reviews and have so far come up empty handed. Finding advertisements for them easily enough but am somewhat surprised about the lack of reviews on them. For some reason I’m intrigued and want to see how they do even though I really love the crossbows I already own and don’t really intend on giving them any more stablemates for now.

 

Pretty much rely on Texrdx reviews for CP.

 

It's not in any of the local stores that carry CenterPoint. I'm not sure Cabelas, Bass Pro or Scheels will show any interest give the track record with CenterPoint's PoeLang and HoriZone products in the past.

 

I'm on my second one. Tonight same problem won't cock after many attempts. Back to the amped. Contacted Roy at Ravin after being guinea for the first, received second one today. No luck, left cam tilts inboard after a few attempts, hung it up. Wait for second RMA tomorrow, I will not take another.

 

🤨

 

Was going to scheels to buy the Wrath x then checked web and ordered, it cost more, gotta be better, wrong!

 

Try a dummy test using a small round screw driver to simulate the bow string
as if the crossbow was properly cocked. Now load an arrow and see if you can
set the safety to the fire position. If this does not work, the trigger box system is
either sticking or faulty.
For the Center Point crossbows, one has to over cock for their system to work
as compared to a normal crossbow. I have a Center Point Sniper XT 390 and
this is what I have to do. I modified mine to use a crank cocker similar to what
some of the rebranded Rocky Mountain crossbows uses that plug into the rear
of the butt stock.
Nothing wrong with the original riser but I had a chance to purchase a complete
415 Heat riser so this is what I am now using.

No problems with the trigger in regards to a heavy pull or creep.

Wishing you all the best.
Take care.

 

Try a dummy test using a small round screw driver to simulate the bow string
as if the crossbow was properly cocked. Now load an arrow and see if you can
set the safety to the fire position. If this does not work, the trigger box system is
either sticking or faulty.
For the Center Point crossbows, one has to over cock for their system to work
as compared to a normal crossbow. I have a Center Point Sniper XT 390 and
this is what I have to do. I modified mine to use a crank cocker similar to what
some of the rebranded Rocky Mountain crossbows uses that plug into the rear
of the butt stock.
Nothing wrong with the original riser but I had a chance to purchase a complete
415 Heat riser so this is what I am now using.

No problems with the trigger in regards to a heavy pull or creep.

Wishing you all the best.
Take care.

Done that at the range, String latch mechanism seems really tough, but will engage, but not with pulling with sled. There's serious issues with this model. I've had several experienced shooters try. No go.

 

The 430x and the hellion are made by separate companies. Both sold by CP. You join 1 hour ago then just throw out random crap. Read already existing info here first before spewing.

 

Not spewing anything, just looking for insight, easy boy.

 

I’ve had my Wrath not latch once or twice but I’m pretty sure it’s because I felt like I was overcranking and backed off before it fully latched. Totally my fault and since I’ve realized my error, it has never happened again.
While I suppose it is possible to get a defective trigger box on a new crossbow, I would think the odds are astronomically against getting two in a row. As for me, the Ravin powered CP400 and the (Poe Lang, Man Kung, or whoever makes them) Wrath 430 have both been solid, dependable crossbows at a fair price vs. value point. Sure, they could be better. They could have better triggers, or better fit and finish. They could also cost near $2k, which would put them completely beyond the reach of many (myself included) shooters. If you really want a high dollar top end crossbow, by all means, get yourself one. No judging on my part. Just know that a simple visit to any other brand on the manufacturers section here will reveal the same thing, and that is for every ten satisfied owners there will be one screaming that brand x is trash. The other 9 know better.

 

I’ve had my Wrath not latch once or twice but I’m pretty sure it’s because I felt like I was overcranking and backed off before it fully latched. Totally my fault and since I’ve realized my error, it has never happened again.
While I suppose it is possible to get a defective trigger box on a new crossbow, I would think the odds are astronomically against getting two in a row. As for me, the Ravin powered CP400 and the (Poe Lang, Man Kung, or whoever makes them) Wrath 430 have both been solid, dependable crossbows at a fair price vs. value point. Sure, they could be better. They could have better triggers, or better fit and finish. They could also cost near $2k, which would put them completely beyond the reach of many (myself included) shooters. If you really want a high dollar top end crossbow, by all means, get yourself one. No judging on my part. Just know that a simple visit to any other brand on the manufacturers section here will reveal the same thing, and that is for every ten satisfied owners there will be one screaming that brand x is trash. The other 9 know better.

I've had great success with my amped, many bows owned, just looking for insight on their new unit, I have too many. Just a suckered for the newest line of low end crossbows. Always love to hear pros and con's. Heck my R10 had an issue that was easily addressed by my local shop. Got to work the bug's out of everything. God Bless

 

As shared here, the 400 and the 405 are products made by PoeLang or HoriZone and both of these companies have a history of producing lesser quality products. And I understand that you were not aware of that.

Roy at Ravin/CP is a pretty decent dude. Ask him if you can exchange the 400 for a WrathX. It has a history you can research here and is made by ManKung who have a history of producing the better products from the Tiawan trio of manufacturers.

Good luck!

 

Thanks, I will be in contact with him. I appreciate all the information I've seen on your site! Great 👍

 

Hellion 400 is my first crossbow ever, i got it 25% off. I have had it since may, went turkey hunting with it. I love the slim profile. I switched out the garbage scope and i put a vortex red dot. I can get it to group within 1/2 inch at 30 yards, I havn't tried at 40 yards and dont intend to since turkeys are a small target for a beginner like myself. I did have problems getting it cocked, i did use a small screw driver, cocked it and pulled the trigger as well, after that, I was able to cock without any issues. I did shorten the pulling rope a good 3 inches to a point where i have to manually pull the string 1/2" or so to put the sled in place. Ever since, cocking is easier but not as easy as some other users. I havnt had any issues with cams or what so ever. I have fired at least 200 times with it and so far only thing i can see is the serving string is starting to have some wear. Other than that i would recommend this crossbow to anyone but not at full price. 899$ USD is a lot compared to other crossbows on the market. Only bad thing i have to say about my hellion 400 is the scope.

 

I been a centerpoint guy for years and they have these on sale for 399 on centerpoint website reconditioned! I think it's a deal for sure! I have had many centerpoints and never a issue so see what happens hopefully I don't jinks myself! I will update once I get it and shoot it a few times!

 

I got the crossbow and it's not even close to the wrath 430... the trigger was worse... it's to long for my liking also! She is being returned.

 

How was the rest of the bow? There are a couple highly skilled trigger whisperers around here who could perfect that trigger if you liked the rest of the bow enough…

 

It's big and nice just not what I am use to. Its narrow for sure! But way to long to what i am use to. I love the wrath 430. And I have had trigger work done in the past by rich. I bought as a backup and then bought the swat x1 also. For me I want something small. I use saddles and I go deep into public land. I also like the fact that I have the hand crank with other 2 bows. I got into bad accident in July. Can hardly pull the crossbow back. So the smaller the better and also hand crank. I would rather be taking my hoyt out but that's a no go this year!

 

I gambled for the buy one get one... Bought the wrath 430x for me, hellion for the wife. Had the same issue right out of the box, though I was able to tinker with the trigger and the safety and got it working. Only hitch so far. Speed test through the Chrono shows it's shooting faster than the rated 400 (406fps) with the factory bolt, and it's pretty damn smooth, fairly quiet and damn accurate for this speed. Trigger is long on the pull and a tad heavy, but it's liveable. To compare, my wrath is only at 413 with factory bolts... 401 with zombies and 100gr points. Honestly, I'm really digging the bow. Both are accurate once dialed in, I can blow nocks off at 50y yards with either bow! I'm not an expert by any means, but it's seems built ok. Going to shoot it again today, I'll report back

 

I changed to a crossbow 2 years ago. I shoot a Wrath 430 and have the newer version of the Amped as a backup. As someone said earlier TXRDXguy is the go to guy for CP information and I have learned a great deal from his posts. Also, without a deep analysis it doesn't seem like there are many Hellion shooters in this community and CP has tried to give Hellions away when you buy a Wrath. I think that says something.

 

I agree 😂, but I was going to buy the Wrath X anyways.... So getting the Hellion was a bonus. I hate the front foot stirrup as it flops while you're trying to load it. I had a power draw kicking around so I just swapped out the front shoe for the wife, now she does it herself. The bow (so far) had been great, only time will tell I guess. It's fast, pretty quiet and very nimble. I like it so far. The wife loves it. I like having the two different bows as I own a Ten point Havoc 440 for hunting. Chrono numbers on that are a consistent 465... Can't lose with either option❤

 

I hear you. I would have taken a Hellion for free. They weren't running that deal when I got my Wrath. Have a good season.