[Huntersthompson]

That is valuable information you are sharing. I plan to test no less than 425gr. Someone claimed he got 400 fps for 535gr but I doubt it. Your numbers would be what I expect so I am planning to use 425gr. But if 450gr gets the bow much quiet then that is great, 375fps is not bad

I would run those numbers thru a ballistic calculator. See which comes out on top

 

[Wolverinegs]

I would run those numbers thru a ballistic calculator. See which comes out on top

The person is on YouTube and is very clear about the arrow being 535gr because he calculated KE to be 192FB. That sounds too good to be true but he insists so at least that is true to him.

I lean to 425gr or 450gr but will check out with my speed detector

 

[Cronos]

The person is on YouTube and is very clear about the arrow being 535gr because he calculated KE to be 192FB. That sounds too good to be true but he insists so at least that is true to him.

I lean to 425gr or 450gr but will check out with my speed detector

I compared 4 Wrath 430 in my shooting club. They are all within a 5fps range from what I tested.
Maybe that Youtube guy got lucky and got a unicorn Wrath that is able to break the laws of physics... who knows.
The Wrath is simply not capable of hitting 400fps with a 535gr arrow. By far not. At least if you don't pimp it in an extreme way.

 

[Wolverinegs]

I compared 4 Wrath 430 in my shooting club. They are all within a 5fps range from what I tested.
Maybe that Youtube guy got lucky and got a unicorn Wrath that is able to break the laws of physics... who knows.
The Wrath is simply not capable of hitting 400fps with a 535gr arrow. By far not. At least if you don't pimp it in an extreme way.

Manufacturers are pushing bows to the break point in pursue of speed. Give the bow some margin by staying away from spec speed will likely extend its life dramatically, so I will go with 425gr or greater.

Your numbers are consistent with other youtubers. With 400gr arrow the speed is usually 40p-415fps.

Most likely I will get luminous nocks weighing 15gr and 125gr broadhead, for a total weight around 440gr. Is that how you got your 445gr?

 

[Cronos]

Most likely I will get luminous nocks weighing 15gr and 125gr broadhead, for a total weight around 440gr. Is that how you got your 445gr?

I used Black Eagle Executioners (.0001 straightness) with um.... let me check....
Roughly 425gr in total. 100gr field tip.

The scale is not the best... the arrow, according to the scale, is 425.3gr in total, including the 99.8gr field tip.

I also do have Tenpoints lighted nocks and I can get the arrows to pretty much exactly 425 (or 445/450) using these lighted nocks.

 

[Wolverinegs]

I compared 4 Wrath 430 in my shooting club. They are all within a 5fps range from what I tested.
Maybe that Youtube guy got lucky and got a unicorn Wrath that is able to break the laws of physics... who knows.
The Wrath is simply not capable of hitting 400fps with a 535gr arrow. By far not. At least if you don't pimp it in an extreme way.

I think I will get luminous nock for 15gr, plus 125gr broadhead, 300gr bolt for a total of 440gr. How did you get to 445gr?

 

[Wolverinegs]

I used Black Eagle Executioners (.0001 straightness) with um.... let me check....
Roughly 425gr in total. 100gr field tip.

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The scale is not the best... the arrow, according to the scale, is 425.3gr in total, including the 99.8gr field tip.

I also do have Tenpoints lighted nocks and I can get the arrows to pretty much exactly 425 (or 445/450) using these lighted nocks.

It seems lighted nocks are useful in tracking, but I do not want to put too much weight at the end to lower FOC, so I look for lightest lighted nock

 

[Gabowman]

I havent seem lighted nocks weighing any less than 30 grains apiece.

I havent owned a Wrath but I do own 2 different Centerpoint bows. Mine have been flawless and I cant say enough about them for the money I spent buying either of them. And with both having trigger work done I just cannot see spending $1000 or more trying to get something as good as what I already have. Warranty?!? I dunno. I havent needed it..

 

[Wolverinegs]

Is the trigger adjustable? If so that would be a big plus. Do you have to change the trigger spring?

I thought luminous Nock is light. I have to check again.

 

[JYates85]

You have to shoot 30 grain lighted nocks or they will bend in half. I tried lighter nocks out of a 405 bow and they bent in half, 40 grain nocks did not bend

 

[TX_RDXguy]

The Wraths I own or have been involved with (and that's a few) all are 415ish bows with a 400 gn arrow. Today I'm shooting a 445 gn setup (TY FD) and I'm consistently sub 2" at 50 with a good pull.

I agree with Cronos, that's a freak Wrath or a BS YouTuber getting 400 fps with an arrow over 500 gn. No way..... Crossbow voodoo!

I shoot as ATN setup on two Wraths and the bow speed in the ballistic profile with the 445 gn arrow is 380 fps and it works.

Lighted nocks.... I'm using the TenPoint Alpha Blaze (22gn nock, 9gn bushing).

 

[Wolverinegs]

You have to shoot 30 grain lighted nocks or they will bend in half. I tried lighter nocks out of a 405 bow and they bent in half, 40 grain nocks did not bend

In that case I will have 300gr bolts + 30gr lighted nock + 125gr broadhead = 455gr arrow. That should be OK. FOC maybe small though

 

[Wolverinegs]

The Wraths I own or have been involved with (and that's a few) all are 415ish bows with a 400 gn arrow. Today I'm shooting a 445 gn setup (TY FD) and I'm consistently sub 2" at 50 with a good pull.

I agree with Cronos, that's a freak Wrath or a BS YouTuber getting 400 fps with an arrow over 500 gn. No way..... Crossbow voodoo!
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I shoot as ATN setup on two Wraths and the bow speed in the ballistic profile with the 445 gn arrow is 380 fps and it works.

Lighted nocks.... I'm using the TenPoint Alpha Blaze (22gn nock, 9gn bushing).

I suspect the speedometer was not working well to have that kind of reading for the YouTube.

Your 445gr arrow I assume it is not lighted? Or that is already using Alpha Blaze? Alpha Blaze already has a 13% FOC for the 20" version so that is attractive. I did not find the total gr of that arrow

 

[TX_RDXguy]

I suspect the speedometer was not working well to have that kind of reading for the YouTube.

Your 445gr arrow I assume it is not lighted? Or that is already using Alpha Blaze? Alpha Blaze already has a 13% FOC for the 20" version so that is attractive. I did not find the total gr of that arrow

It's lighted. I'm not a fan of arrow overhang so the arrows are shorter and the tip is 125 gn. This is an 18" arrow build using the EVO-X shaft.

 

[Cronos]

In that case I will have 300gr bolts + 30gr lighted nock + 125gr broadhead = 455gr arrow. That should be OK. FOC maybe small though

Without having tested that specific setup it sounds like a very decent combination!

 

[Cronos]

I think I will get luminous nock for 15gr, plus 125gr broadhead, 300gr bolt for a total of 440gr. How did you get to 445gr?

I did use BEEs (Black Eagle Executioners) and put 120 grain field tips onto the 325 gr arrows
Equaled in some very nice ~445gr arrows.

For the lighted version i just put my Tenpoint lighted nocks onto the BEEs... worked out flawelessly....

 

[Wolverinegs]

I did use BEEs (Black Eagle Executioners) and put 120 grain fiel tips onto the 325 gr arrows
Eaqualed in some very nice ~445gr arrows.

For the lighted version i just put my Tenpoint lighted nocks onto the BEEs... worked out flawelessly....

OK got it.

 

[Cronos]

It's lighted. I'm not a fan of arrow overhang so the arrows are shorter and the tip is 125 gn. This is an 18" arrow build using the EVO-X shaft.

That Tx_RDX guy is just so fuc*** right every time....
Just keep asking him He is always right.
And in case he doesn't know what to do... he knows someone..

 

[OLD SCHOOL HUNTER 241]

Interesting to know you shoot wrath more. I thought the light weight and compactness will be a great draw to Swat

I've always loved Centerpoint to be honest. It always shot as good as the top dollar ones.

 

[Wolverinegs]

Yeah that Tx_RDX guy makes me thinking to cut my arrows to 18". I tried to pull out the holder for the fieldtips/broadhead without success. I assume it was glued.

If I can cut to 18" then I can use a copper insert to make up the lost weight and increase FOC along the way, and also offset the impact of adding lighted nocked.

I have not figured out how to cut the arrow either. I have dremel and miter saw.