R10=
Executioners with 110 grain inserts
100 head
20" long
spin wing vanes and a very slight r.h. offset
Is what i finally ended up at.
Flew much better then the Spinal Tapps
Get them spine matched and all that just like the Spinal Tapps
Get these from south shore too.

R20=
I use the Spinal Tapps this bow, SAME AS ABOVE.

 

Not to highjack, but I just got an R10 myself. As far as a hunting setup, how big a deal are the custom arrows you listed compared to the factory Ravin arrows? Curious. I’ve only shot it one day, but comfortable at 60 yards already with the factory .003s. Doubt I’d attempt a shot past that range

 

I run my own, zombie slayers from ssa, vanetec swift 288’s, slight offset, either bushings and ravin nocks or firenock stuff-run them at your own risk. Accuracy is stellar!
Steve

 

When I got my R10 I sent a PM to Jerry for a vane recommendation for a set of Tapps, as I’ve only had SK300. He recommended Vantec Swift 3.15”. They all run about 423 grains with his SS points.

Some day when I settle on the right optics I’ll get to shoot the other 5. 🙃

 

When I got my R10 I sent a PM to Jerry for a vane recommendation for a set of Tapps, as I’ve only had SK300. He recommended Vantec Swift 3.15”. They all run about 423 grains with his SS points.

Some day when I settle on the right optics I’ll get to shoot the other 5. 🙃

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Are they a Tapp or a double tapp? Not sure on the lingo.

 

I just looked at my Spinal Tapp Hunters I have for my Deathstaker - they look like they have the same aluminum (4.25” ? ) insert as well.

 

For reasonable shooting ranges on Whitetail, Ravin bolts will work. Think I have bagged 38 deer with Ravin xbows to date. Here’s video I did using Ravin bolts (reflected and nocks reindexed).
I am not suggesting shooting at 80 yards with these videos either. I have made some nice longer shots on deer. 50 plus all the way out to 62 yards. For gee whiz. I stated I have taken 38 deer with Ravins. Out of all shots using Ravin bolts shooting at Deer. Bagged 38, missed one (pretty close too- May have hit obstruction) , shot one and never recovered (hit too).

 

Here’s video I did using Ravin bolts (reflected and nocks reindexed).

So how did they shoot before as factory fletched? I checked the spine (stiff side) of my 3 Ravin shafts on my spine checker and here’s where the white dots for the stiff sides lined up.

 

Can’t say. I can say this though. Different orders of factory Ravins had varying offset on vanes (per pack) Most had more offset than I put on the vanes when I reflectch. So one has to be mindful of poi vertical shifts with slower bolts using oem setups bolts.

Also for gee whiz. Remember I used a hawke xb compact scope when shooting the Ravin bolts in the 2 videos above, hence i wasn’t using super high magnification, hence even tighter grouping likely using say a fixed 12x or 24x scope shooting at 80 yards. Turns out I was using about 5-5.5x magnification. You would never gauge for example a super high quality 22 rimfire shooting a 80 yards for accuracy using 5-5.5 magnification. So magnification level on a scope can limit actual true accuracy potential of a bow or firearm.

And to add remember broadhead use actually adds cut potential off to the side or even in the vertical due to expandable broadhead expanding. So paper punching needs to be viewed somewhat differently vs hunting using broad heads. Some folks may get wrapped too tight around the axle based solely on bolt groups at longer distances.

 

Hadn’t even tried 80 yards yet, but shot 4 out the 5 factory .003s today at 60, off a mono pod type rest right at dark to see how I’d fair..... Bow came with 6, busted one shooting at the same spot day one...lol.

im pretty happy with this, especially after reading all the custom arrow bickering on here lately.

 

Hi.....I too have an R10....and a 29X. I tried the Ravin bolts out of the R29X and they flat out did not group....do not think that arrow was built for the kind of energy the 29X generates. So with the 29X I built a Zombie Slayer using the universal nock insert adapter so I could use a Ravin nock. The Ravin nock I will NOT go away from....do not get me wrong, the U nock is probably a sufficient substitute but I prefer the Ravin. I spine index my own arrows so I am good there. And, I fletch all of my own arrows. The Zombie Slayer is 25% stronger than the Executioner and it groups extremely well out to 100 yards.

As for the R10, I use the Executioner as less energy is produced and the spine with 100 grains up front is really good....they have a 110 grain insert up front as well. I tried the supplied Ravin bolts but they did not group well....not to my liking. So I use the Executioner with a Bronco vane on the back for right now as that is how they came from Black Eagle....and they group/fly extremely well. This bolt is built for the R10 in my opinion.

The bolts supplied have not been spine indexed and are a factory mass production....you do not know the batch you are getting. Some may fly well and some may fly crappy...you just do not know. When I build my own, I know what I am getting and the quality of the work is evident. South Shore Archery does some amazing work....I am actually having a target bolt built right now by Eric/Jerry and I know it has been indexed and built to my specifications and beyond....they are that good.

 

Amen Fred,
Thanks for a great post. I too and several others like Neglectedbow have done testing with a variety of arrows in a R10. I also have a R9 that I doubt I will sell anytime soon because it shoots so well. They both group the lighter spined BEEs better than Zombies or Tapps as long as you're using the standard Ravin rest. The R26 might be a toss-up because the limbs are more preloaded so I suspect it can group either BEEs or Tapps as well. But if you do like Moon and reduce the limb preload by using a regular Ravin set of strings, BEEs would most likely be a better choice on a R26.

However, I can certainly understand as you go to heavier limbs or longer power strokes like is on the R20/R29 and definitely the R29X, Zombies or Tapps with their stiffer spines could certainly be a better choice.

 

They both group the lighter spined BEEs better than Zombies or Tapps as long as you're using the standard Ravin rest.

What other rests are you talking about other than the Aerorest?

And why would they group better with the standard rest? Thanks.

 

TP,
In my opinion, if you're shooting the Aerorest, you might very well be better off with a stiffer arrow like the Tapps you're shooting. However, I have no data to back that premise up.
The standard Ravin rest is a little more forgiving because the springs are much lighter.
I've said this before but my suspicion is a lighter spined arrow does not impact the Ravin rest springs as much as does a stiffer arrow especially if there's not too much force applied to the nock at launch.
However, that lighter spined BEE can be problematic for a more powerful Ravin because there's just too much flex in the arrow after string release.
It's a compromise.

 

Going to put my Ravin arrows on my Burky spine indexer and refletch and see were everything is at. Got my Ravin press from Dave, have strings coming from GAS and Archery Shack so I should be set.

 

Sorry wrong subject

 

Looks like the ticket is the BEE with the 29x. Zombies a bit to stiff, and Easton 9MM to weak. I put the 110 brass insert and a 125 Grim Reaper/ 460GR on the money @ 420ish fps

 

I agree with bowmanmt 100% if you don’t want to change your rest and strings BEE is the way to go all day. What I get from 60 yards with BEEs I built 100% Factory R29x. Bees with 110 grain inserts they weigh 335 grains 435 with a 100 grain head.

 

BEE are still .300ID shaft.. He would be buying a a Ravin arrow and putting a Ravin nock on it.. Bascially the same thing as what he has now.. Pending serving spec of the factory string he is most likley a U nock..

 

Except if they are indexed and weight matched they will shoot a whole lot better the factory Ravin arrows. which aren’t BEES anymore and the 110 grain inserts will get him to his weight without changing anything on his bow. And if he keeps his factory arrows will still have a factory warranty if he doesn’t say he uses custom arrows.

 

If you knows his string spec he doesn't have to change bow around,. It's either a C or a U nock. Firenock I beilive covers every string spec that I can think on in archery.. Here is another point to consider. Unless specs were released from Ravin that I've missed we don't know what Ravin nock spec is other than it's a Ravin Nock. Most of the time that I've seen the Ravin nock fits too tight. That can lead to string serving issues to where the serving changes to a D like shape from integrity loss . At that point the Ravin Nock act more like a flat nock and is more prone to have mini dry fire on a bow that already is subject to string buckling on launch cycle.

The inserts unless he gets reverse taper which only comes from Firenock will have a standard 90 degree shoulder. Once the shoulder loses integrity and the insert of out of sync , that if it ever was, that that can lead to accuracy issue down the road whether that is 3 shots or 300, it's bound to happen. In that sense, blazer vanes, ravin nock, , bushing and standard insert is not a custom arrow rather just once typically on the market with the exception of spine indexing. Either the case if he wanted to put a "ravin nock /bushing / set up in anyone of my arrows he can not that i recommended that.

The Price of TANK X on a Semi Weaved shaft, reverse taper 125 M insert with Aero vane and Firenock U or C nock at $159.95 is priced well and is a diverse build with a crosswind signature significantly smaller than a blazer. Meaning when shooting in wind not only with the build be more accurate, but the build will be more stable carrying energy down range.

 

70yrds,, customer feed back.. And if I remember right this was before or early in the string process. Meaning this may likley be with factory strings.

 

I Have heard more then one person say they have had issues with u nock and a Ravin so I’m good with that. Ravin nocks work just fine. the tightness of the nock is what keeps a Ravin accurate as it doesn’t use a rail. Any looseness in the nock is prone to side to side movement which changes the impact point.
Will be my last post on the subject.

 

I Have heard more then one person say they have had issues with u nock and a Ravin so I’m good with that. Ravin nocks work just fine. the tightness of the nock is what keeps a Ravin accurate as it doesn’t use a rail. Any looseness in the nock is prone to side to side movement which changes the impact point.
Will be my last post on the subject.

If they had issues odds are their string serving spec was out of U nock speck.. U nock can handle .130-135 which Ravin factory serving "should be in" .. Problem is the Ravin Nock fits so tight and the Ravin factory string can lose integrity and deform, despite accuacy that is a dry fire problem and having had into the hundreds of Ravins cycle through my shop I can say with certainly that many pf them had serving issues in as little at 25 shots. 99% of shooters that call me up did not know how critical nock serving spec can be.. In varying weather especially , it's everything..

I don't mean to sound like I am kicking your arrows down, you had some good results and that is great, but in custom build world for what i do there are options.. For all we know maybe he wants to go to a custom string and cable set anyway., Or maybe he doesn't like Ravin lighted nocks which is a whole other ball game..

 

I tried like you said, I even had Eric at gas stringsnks make them up to fireknock specifications. and still they didn't work for the ravin 29x.
the unit doesn't even come close to working on a raven string properly. the snap and the draw system is different than the ravin nock.

 

If Eric made the center serve to the correct nock spec than nothing should be wrong.. Is it going to fit like a Ravin nock,, no way.. That is the point. If that is the comparison that you are basing it on than your already in error because what your basing it on is not a technical spec but a prefernce that for whatever reason "you like Ravin nock fit".. me personally , espeacilly have doing a numerous number of U nocks and having cycled at least 200-300 hunderd Ravins in the shop ( including R29) even shooting them out to 135yrds+ I would not let my dog even chew on a Ravin nock let alone would I shoot with one. Yes , you may like Ravin nock, you may have good success with Ravin nocks, but for every one of you there is probably 40+ shooters that after using Firenock will want no parts of a Ravin nock.. I find that if a guy swithces back to Ravin nocks ( in lit ) nocks that is usally because a Firenock is to complicated to put together for him and that is fine, but doesn't mean the Ravin nock is better..

So, I am going to ask a question if you don't mind.. Tell me the tolerance of the center serving that a Ravin Nock can adapt to without the center serving suffering integrity loss due to nock fit?

Please indicate your source according to Factory.. I would like to know this. I already gave the detail on the U nock..

Ravin first round of nocks was one major screw up.

Ravin Crossbows Recalls Arrow Nocks Due to Injury Hazard

Consumers should immediately stop using the recalled arrow nocks and contact Ravin® Crossbows for free replacement nocks.

www.cpsc.gov

 

Yea, aftermarket is usually better in most cases. But that Ravin proprietary nock seems to really be needed with a Ravin. I have some Zombie Slayers setup to Ravin specs with Ravin nocks, and they are flawless. Honestly don’t see much difference from .003 stock Ravin arrows out to 50 yards though....

 

Needed to,, to "sell" you a Ravin nock.. Just like you need to use thier arrow, but not a BEE,, SAME thing..

411.. word is the Ravin was orignailly working with Firenock on the nock, but didn't want to pay , so they went to a bushing to work around the patent,, kinda.. If anyone thinks there is something speaicl about a Ravin nock other than a name you are mistaken..

 

Here goes vital limits trying to up sell something and high jacking another thread...seen this before...more smoke and no fire aimed at new guys in order to sell over priced and way over hyped arrows. If I had a better idea than Ravin...knocks...crossbows...or otherwise, I would start company and out sell them...don't see that happening....talk is talk...but lots of folks just can't walk the walk...so they critisize those who can...like Ravin crossbows...Ravin knocks...Ravin bushings...etc...go figure.

 

You just proved my point of one of my comments above on why the ravin nock is an issue.. "His U nock doe not fit the same as the Ravin nock. the Ravin not only snaps on super hard, but there is no lateral movement".. Especially is shooting factory string.

And me personally I don't know of 1 person that got hurt because of a "U nock" or had any issue of "side to side motion., but as posted above there was a how many nocks recalled by Ravin because of injury.. Matter of fact if side to side motion were that big of a problem I would be seeing something in Scorpyd bows and would of had to re spec the something.

Did you ever mic your string to know the spec??? If the spec is within .130-.135 per that bow than the nock is correctly in spec with the serve.. GAS typically hits .134 on the head which is a snug fit.

 

You just proved my point of one of my comments above on why the ravin nock is an issue.. "His U nock doe not fit the same as the Ravin nock. the Ravin not only snaps on super hard, but there is no lateral movement".. Especially is shooting factory string.

And me personally I don't know of 1 person that got hurt because of a "U nock" or had any issue of "side to side motion., but as posted above there was a how many nocks recalled by Ravin because of injury.. Matter of fact if side to side motion were that big of a problem I would be seeing something in Scorpyd bows and would of had to re spec the something.

Did you ever mic your string to know the spec??? If the spec is within .130-.135 per that bow than the nock is correctly in spec with the serve.. GAS typically hits .134 on the head which is a snug fit.

Wow,
I can't believe your arrogance. I feel so sorry for your customers. You must actually think you're the only guy who owns or knows how to mic. a center serving.
I can't begin to tell you the number of guys who have discussed nock fit with me on Ravins over the last 5 years. 99% have seen the same results when you get it right. Windage error is reduced and repeatable accuracy is significantly increased.
However, some don't recognize initially that the center serving is the problem and they start looking at alternatives such as a different rest or arrows when all along the problem was actually the center serving.
BTW, a good rule of thumb is the center serving diameter should be 10 thousands larger than the nock throat diameter.
This means a center serving designed for a Ravin nock will easily fit in the string latch with no clearance issues. U-nocks on the other hand not only require a larger diameter center serving but will also rotate in the arrow shaft easier than a Ravin nock. Both are negatives that I prefer to live without.
Sure, you can demonstrate a Ravin will shoot just fine with a U-nock and a .135 diameter center serving short term if the bow is tuned properly. But once your customer takes it home and gets some shots on it and/or the cams get slightly out of synch, it's a different ball game.

Been there, done that and don't plan to ever do it again. In fact, I'm planning on switching back to Archery Shack strings for this very reason and recently ordered a new set from Jeremy. GAS should know better than this.
Flame on buddy as we all know you're so capable of, but I'm done.

 

“Matter of fact if side to side motion were that big of a problem I would be seeing something in Scorpyd bows and would of had to re spec the something.”

I don’t mind your takes on things because you obviously know more than most.....but come on. You can’t compare a Scorpyd to a Ravin. Lateral movement means more when you DONT have a rail. Just common sense

 

More movement as in hitting the insides of a rail or or a slight bit of give so it's not under as extreme pressure.?

In some of the above comments made by a few others has only demonstrated un supportive speculations of "U" nocks are that have been sold to ravin shooters I sure into the "thousands by now? by Firenock ,friencok dealers such as South Shore, My shop, Broke Holder and whoever else. Yet I haven't heard of 1 issue of "lateral movement". What I also don't know is the actually string serving spec, if the guy actually measured it or not since there is evidence already demonstrated wanting the string to back to Dorge to get checked out. For all I know the string spec is .127-.128 which GAS would make for a Standard Ravin nock to clip "super hard on" or to be used with a "C" nock, not a U nock that would also clip "Super hard" on.

Not that we end up in ideal world all the time , but the U nock on a string within a proper center serve spec is ideally how you want it to fit. The U nock will actually start to get on the tight side at .135.. Like I said GAS i my experince usually hits the nail right oin the head at .134 being a snug fit

For those who own a Ravin that are that worried about safety in lateral movement of nock I guess you will be selling your bow considering that Ravin using a factory arrow nock is capable of string buckling which is really a "dry fire" while the arrow is in launch which arguably happens 2-3 times.

Let me know when your bow is posted in Market Place.

 

That is one terrible looking launch.

 

Appears that the nock was out of correct position on arrow 1. Makes arrow 2 look good.

 

"torsion." or the strings behioavor becasue the string clearly "buckles".. The arrow wants to rotate one direction then goes to the other. MISSION bows was absouletly 100% correct, they have much a much better controlled " nock travel"

 

You didn’t test this yourself before one of your many Ravin “upgrade builds”? String slop in that video can be attributed to many things. And many things I could care less about. If my strings look like that on release and get the accuracy I get.....I still have no issue.