[OneSavage]

Wait till you see how they say how much they weigh in their specs and realize it’s without a scope.
ATA width has always been kind of ridiculous way to measure width of a bow.
I always try to make light of a situation and if you’re so upset about a 1/2” and feel you were lied to, then put yourself in the shoes of millions of women who were told a number that was a lie 😂

the only reason I had to edit is because of a stupid ad that’s always in the way of what I’m typing. Not sure if the issue is the site or myphone. It’s effing annoying to not be able to see what you’re typing due to an ad 😠

 

[VA Hunter]

Some of the crossbows that are advertised using a certain arrow-point weight combination, but are being supplied with
a heavier arrow, the company knows using their lighter arrows and doing a lot of shooting the limbs will not last. It is just
an advertising sales gimic to keep up with other manufactures.
Here is an example using a crossbow with the front mounted riser. Before the riser is installed, the cams can be in time
and level and suggested axle to axle measurement can be right. Looking from one cam to the other, the bow string and
cables are in a straight line.
Install the riser and what happens to the bowstring and cables? Looking from one cam to the other along the bowstring,
most crossbows, the bowstring humps up as it crosses the rail. The reason being, the cables are trying to pull the end of
the limbs downward. The bowstring is trying to pull the cam end up the limbs upward.

This installation and reaction, if no adjustment is made to advance the cams, the crossbow will not make the advertised
speed using the advertised arrow weight. The axle to axle measurement will also have changed since installing the riser.

Cocking and shooting the crossbow is putting a lot of stress on the limbs that if the limbs are not properly manufactured
using high quality products, the limbs are going to sliver and possibly break. If a limb breaks, serious damage can happen
to the crossbow and possibly the shooter.

Personally, shooting crossbows as received in stock condition, limbs have slivered and one, the limb actually broke at 56
shots. Other limbs failed at 330 and 1100 to 1300 shots where the limbs slivered. All arrows shot were 425 and into the 460
grain weight which included the point. Absolutely no dry fires with any of these failures. These crossbows were advertised as
shooting 370 grain arrow-point combinations to achieve their advertised speed.

Some of these crossbows I am referring to are basically the same where many parts will interchange, but they have been sold
under different brand names depending which company requires them.

For test purposes, I have taken some of these new crossbows and re enforced the limbs in various ways only to hide the slivering
when this happens..
Checking the crossbows when cocked by measuring from the axle to the nearest rail-stock, one is looking for a weaker limb or a
different limb deflection. The stronger limb will pull the weaker limb closer to the rail-stock. Removing my re enforcement (high
quality electrical and 250 pound tensile zip ties taped to the large flat area on both sides of the limbs as re enforcements) the limbs
had slivered.

This company is an importer and checking their website for either replacement limbs or the complete riser which only costs a few
dollars more U.S. they are unable to either keep these parts in stock or unable to import them. This has been going on for many
months. Another importer selling basically the same crossbow under a different name, being the crossbows are cheaper to buy here,
does not stock replacement parts.

Some of these crossbows have a composite rail-stock with the hollow area filled with a type of foam to make them lighter. Due to this
they have a very high recoil rate which has damaged the crosshairs in some of the high dollar valued scopes.

My advice if one wishes to increase the speed of a crossbow in feet per second, adjust timing or make string and cable repairs or
the necessary change outs, is purchase your own bow press. This can save one a lot of time and money in down time, shipping or
taking the crossbow to a bow shop and maybe an extra trip to pick the bow up.

Wishing you all the best.
Take care.

Thank you for all the information, I would agree with everything you have said. Hope you have a nice day.

 

[VA Hunter]

Wait till you see how they say how much they weigh in their specs and realize it’s without a scope.
ATA width has always been kind of ridiculous way to measure width of a bow.
I always try to make light of a situation and if you’re so upset about a 1/2” and feel you were lied to, then put yourself in the shoes of millions of women who were told a number that was a lie 😂

the only reason I had to edit is because of a stupid ad that’s always in the way of what I’m typing. Not sure if the issue is the site or myphone. It’s effing annoying to not be able to see what you’re typing due to an ad 😠

They state their specification about their weigh on their web page is with out scope so I know that up front. And they state that the Axle to Axle it 19 inches, not 19 +/- something. Just to let you know, it 3/4 of an inch out side of the specification. After the cables and string stretch from shooting it could very easily be 1 inch.

 

[Huntersthompson]

Specs say 19. Put it in a press and add twists to cables till it's 19 inch. I would not shoot it with 370 gn arrows period. Get some 150 gn heads. If it blows up your warranty should be good as you were within the specs.

 

[bunnyrabbit]

As mentioned in Post #4, limb deflection and draw weight will affect axle to axle measurement. As you mention
about their advertised axle to axle measurement on their website, that should be left out if they are not concerned
about it.

People looking for a crossbow are interested in the axle to axle measurement, even though that is just a guide line,
due to the type of hunting etc. they plan on doing. Any tuning of a crossbow or string and or cable change can result
in different axle to axle measurements.

Recommendations I have read on various posts is to shoot the crossbow for a while to let the string and or cables
settle in (stretch). The reason being many builders are used to building for vertical bows that have far less draw weight
than crossbows, not realizing unless they up grade to better product and increase the tension before serving, the bow
string and or cable will stretch.

Wishing you all the best.
Take care.

 

[Joel11230]

Wait till you see how they say how much they weigh in their specs and realize it’s without a scope.
ATA width has always been kind of ridiculous way to measure width of a bow.
I always try to make light of a situation and if you’re so upset about a 1/2” and feel you were lied to, then put yourself in the shoes of millions of women who were told a number that was a lie 😂

the only reason I had to edit is because of a stupid ad that’s always in the way of what I’m typing. Not sure if the issue is the site or myphone. It’s effing annoying to not be able to see what you’re typing due to an ad 😠

It’s the site, I have the same problem

 

[VA Hunter]

Specs say 19. Put it in a press and add twists to cables till it's 19 inch. I would not shoot it with 370 gn arrows period. Get some 150 gn heads. If it blows up your warranty should be good as you were within the specs.

I will be shooting a 434 gr bolt with their lighted nock. I will not adjust anything on the Xbow, I will just leave it as they have set it. I'll have just live with it that way.

 

[OneSavage]

It’s the site, I have the same problem

I alleviate this problem by referring back to rule #1. Don’t believe anything you read on the internet.
If it happened once then shame on KI and if it happened twice then shame on you, not
You Joel

 

[VA Hunter]

I alleviate this problem by referring back to rule #1. Don’t believe anything you read on the internet.
If it happened once then shame on KI and if it happened twice then shame on you, not
You Joel

I'm sorry I don't understand what KI has to do with Wicked Ridge Raider 400 De-cock. That is the xbow in question on my post. I sold the 2 KI to help me raise the money to buy the over $900.00 Wicked Ridge Raider 400 De-cock.

 

[bunnyrabbit]

I will be shooting a 434 gr bolt with their lighted nock. I will not adjust anything on the Xbow, I will just leave it as they have set it. I'll have just live with it that way.

Here is a reason why as in Post #4 that the crossbow axle to axle would not meet the 19". Who ever built the bowstring
and possibly the cables, built them too long. Sometimes one can not add enough 1/2 or full twists to bring things into
specification. The cams could still be level and in time but not shoot the advertised speed.

I have experienced two examples of similar situations:
1)the bow string was purchased from a seller on EBay several years ago stating it was for a Barnett Ghost 410. The
bowstring as I remember was a good 1/2" or more too long. Adding twists it could not be shortened enough with out
the bowstring twisting up.

2)Recently I ordered two bowstrings for another brand of crossbow. Their website for my crossbow showed 37". Each
package was marked at 37". Installing one bowstring, I had a lot more downward pressure from the limbs. Taking the
string off and measuring it, with a 1/4" rod in each loop, out side of the rods were under 37". Measuring outside of the
loops which is wrong was where they got there 37". Removing all twists, I got 37 1/8". One needs some twists to give
strength. Putting this string in my crossbow press with the string building accessories, I cranked up very high to see
if the bowstring might stretch. Leaving under this tension for several hours, there was absolutely no stretch. To use this
bowstring, the cables had to have several twists in order to match my original speed of 375 feet. Without the added cable
twists the crossbow shot 350 feet per second using the same arrow-point combination.

The second bow string from the out side of the rods, measured 36 3/4".

Checking two other identical brand and series crossbows, one had hundreds of shots. This bow string measured 37 1/4".
I probably tuned this crossbow making the bow string shorter. Both strings were removed and measured with out adding
any twists than what they were when on the crossbows.
Checking the second crossbow which had never been shot, this crossbow string measured 37 1/2".

Rechecking the bowstring website, my brand and series showed 37" where as the same brand but another series showed 37.25".

Note: the crossbow I was replacing the string on, the string had broke at the shot under the arrow-latch serving area. The arrow
hit dead center on the 1/4" dot I was shooting in my shop. What saved the bow from blowing up when the string broke, I have
added a second layer of serving in the arrow-latch area which slowed the limbs down when the string broke.

Shooting crossbows that require arrows with 1/2 moon nocks, I am not limited to serving diameter in the arrow-latch area.

Normally, one may not have a second identical brand and series crossbow to use as a reference.

Things can happen.
Wishing you all the best.
Take care.

 

[OneSavage]

I'm sorry I don't understand what KI has to do with Wicked Ridge Raider 400 De-cock. That is the xbow in question on my post. I sold the 2 KI to help me raise the money to buy the over $900.00 Wicked Ridge Raider 400 De-cock.

You weren’t happy with the specs regarding KI and the actual real world speed and that there should have made you suspect of any manufacturers “specs”. I understand your frustration but don’t understand your anger and why it’s such a huge ordeal. All manufacturers post specs that don’t match or are misleading and it’s wrong, it’s been posted here 100’s or 1000’s of times about manufacturers using light arrows to increase the speed of their bows so the numbers look better to sell them. If a half inch is that big of a deal to you then there is things you can do to “fix” that, yes it should be correctly listed but it’s not I just hope you’ve learned a lesson here for the future, maybe 2 lessons. The first being don’t believe everything you see and the second is don’t let little things get you so wound up, life’s too short and precious to be consumed by anger or hate.

 

[VA Hunter]

You weren’t happy with the specs regarding KI and the actual real world speed and that there should have made you suspect of any manufacturers “specs”. I understand your frustration but don’t understand your anger and why it’s such a huge ordeal. All manufacturers post specs that don’t match or are misleading and it’s wrong, it’s been posted here 100’s or 1000’s of times about manufacturers using light arrows to increase the speed of their bows so the numbers look better to sell them. If a half inch is that big of a deal to you then there is things you can do to “fix” that, yes it should be correctly listed but it’s not I just hope you’ve learned a lesson here for the future, maybe 2 lessons. The first being don’t believe everything you see and the second is don’t let little things get you so wound up, life’s too short and precious to be consumed by anger or hate.

Sorry, I never said I was angry. Just disappointed and hardhearted with the fact that 10 point had the bow in their hands and said they them self could not adjust it back into specification. If the manufacture can not adjust it no one else can ether. Hope you never buy anything that will not be as stated by the manufacture.
Have a great day.
And just for your info. I took the KI to a bow shop and they adjusted the Bow's and got the speed close to manufacture stated speeds.



dishearten, and

 

[OneSavage]

Sorry, I never said I was angry. Just disappointed and hardhearted with the fact that 10 point had the bow in their hands and said they them self could not adjust it back into specification. If the manufacture can not adjust it no one else can ether. Hope you never buy anything that will not be as stated by the manufacture.
Have a great day.
And just for your info. I took the KI to a bow shop and they adjusted the Bow's and got the speed close to manufacture stated speeds.



dishearten, and

Tenpoint has said on here multiple times that they don’t use the uncocked ata for setting up the bow. Just like any field that technician might not be capable, might not be allowed or just trained different. You are to hung up on the fact the ata I cocked is not matching the posted specifications. Bunnyrabbit has lots of experience and is extremely helpful and writes most everything very thorough but too long winded for me and he probably explained on how to achieve the ata you feel the bow should have. I could set the ata n I don’t know much at all, dang sure don’t have the tools the tenpoint techs have access to. They match all the limbs together. If you have access to a press or ask on here as there’s probably someone close to you that has one. Press the bow and twist all the cables tighter equal amounts. Just from this hunting season my seige was way out of time both of the dots were on the outside of the limbs. 2.5 twists on each one and it was in time and the ata was on.

 

[VA Hunter]

Tenpoint has said on here multiple times that they don’t use the uncocked ata for setting up the bow. Just like any field that technician might not be capable, might not be allowed or just trained different. You are to hung up on the fact the ata I cocked is not matching the posted specifications. Bunnyrabbit has lots of experience and is extremely helpful and writes most everything very thorough but too long winded for me and he probably explained on how to achieve the ata you feel the bow should have. I could set the ata n I don’t know much at all, dang sure don’t have the tools the tenpoint techs have access to. They match all the limbs together. If you have access to a press or ask on here as there’s probably someone close to you that has one. Press the bow and twist all the cables tighter equal amounts. Just from this hunting season my seige was way out of time both of the dots were on the outside of the limbs. 2.5 twists on each one and it was in time and the ata was on.

Thank you Sir,
For all the good information, I just got the Bow back today and the A to A is just under 3/4 of an inch out side of the specification. I don't have a press and will just leave it the way it is. I don't want to void my warranty. Shot it through the chronograph and got 374,375, 376 fps. So I'm got call it 375 and be happy, and hope I don't have any problem.

 

[OneSavage]

Thank you Sir,
For all the good information, I just got the Bow back today and the A to A is just under 3/4 of an inch out side of the specification. I don't have a press and will just leave it the way it is. I don't want to void my warranty. Shot it through the chronograph and got 374,375, 376 fps. So I'm got call it 375 and be happy, and hope I don't have any problem.

You’re welcome sir.
If it shoots great then that is truly what matters. You could always post a picture from above of the cams n timing marks and people will definitely let you know if the timing is off.

 

[VA Hunter]

You’re welcome sir.
If it shoots great then that is truly what matters. You could always post a picture from above of the cams n timing marks and people will definitely let you know if the timing is off.

Thank you, I may do that.

 

[Usahomeseller1]

Sorry this is so long, but the Truth need to get out there

I just want everyone to know that the Specification on the Wicked Ridge Raider 400 De-Cock on their web page is not correct. And have not been for a few years now... I had a Dealer order me the news Wicked Ridge Rader 400 De-Cock. I waited almost 4 weeks for it... 1/20/23 The Dealer put it together and asked it I wanted to shoot it, I said no I will shoot it through the Chronograph when I get home. Got home and started shooting it the first shot was a 371 FPS, I was hoping for 385 but it was what it was. I may have shot it about 7 or 9 times, and all of a sudden it shot 338 the nest shot was 341 and the next was 338. I looked everything over did not see anything wrong, so I shot it again got 371. OK must have been me some how.

For some reason I thought check the Axle to Axle. The Axle to Axle specification for the Xbow is 19 inches. Mine is 19.75 inches. I called Customer Support, The very nice lady there said yes it should be 19 inches. She said send it back and we will fix it for you.

I sent it in and got a call from the Technician that said he was working on my Xbow. He said he put it togeather and adjusted the string and cables a little bet it was shooting 380 FPS, I said great I asked him about the Axle to Axle he said he would look at it again and call me back that was on 2/9/23. Today 2/10/23 he called and said he could not adjust the Axle to Axle that it was safe to shoot that way, I said I know it safe to shoot it like that but the bow is still out of specification. He said let me get some one else that can explain it better to me. Another gentleman got on the phone and began to me that they could not set the bow into specification... He said the limbs and string and cable were all correct for that bow. I ask why can't you put it into specification???

He said that when they changed a put different cams on the Wicked Ridge Raider 400 De-Cock a few years back it changed the Axle to Axle and they had measured all the Raider there in service that they all measured were 19.75 inches.

Now here's were I get very upset. They have been selling these bows for years and not tell the public that the Specification have changed. I don't like being lied to or misled on something like this. It's against the law!!!!! they are sending the Wicked Ridge Raider 400 back out side of there published Specification. I'm not very happy with TenPoint and shady marketing practices!!!!! Why are they hiding this form the public???? I think we all know Why!!!!!!

I also was miss lead. After purchasing it the claw would not lock into the stock as explained it should. Dealer says its been a defect for years and the company has not fixed it. TenPoint told me to hold it in place with a small bundgee or a hair tie to hold it in place ! Really it's brand new !
Will not take it back or repair or replace. It's only a week old ! Do not buy Wicked Ridge they hide their errors in production and will not honor their warrantees.

 

[canuckarcher]

Happiest day of my life was when I stopped using my Chrony....
Second happiest day was when I stopped weighing my animals.

I used to run my own archery bear hunting service .

A guy would shoot a blackie and be on top of the world.

After weighing it and coming up with a weight of 175 field dressed he would be bummed out.

I put the scale away after two years and my comment when asked what I thought it would weigh was ,
"That's a nice bear".

 

[10PtCrossbow]

I also was miss lead. After purchasing it the claw would not lock into the stock as explained it should. Dealer says its been a defect for years and the company has not fixed it. TenPoint told me to hold it in place with a small bundgee or a hair tie to hold it in place ! Really it's brand new !
Will not take it back or repair or replace. It's only a week old ! Do not buy Wicked Ridge they hide their errors in production and will not honor their warrantees.

I said use a bungie until the clip got there and I also told you i would be happy to get it back into TenPoint to go over it. Feel free to show the emails.