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Interesting db results. I might have to grab one of those devices for myself. I wanna test my Barnett Wildcat C6 to see how loud it is.
It's a pretty slick little device. For $19 it's a reasonably priced tool. These recorded levels surprised me being as loud as they were. The Sniper is supposed to be in the 90 db range and a 106 db reading is notably loud by archery standards. I need to learn more about how the xbow companies test and where the meters are placed.
 
Personally, I want to know more about the scope and accuracy in that 20-35 yard range shooting freehand without a mono stick. What kinda grouping? How accurate is the scope all things equal to other Crosman crossbow packages.
 
The Barnett has been shooting great for me. I like its ergonomics, balance, and the fact that it's 125 pound draw and still producing 320 fps with 400 grain arrow. Pretty quiet as well. It's time for a new string and cable for it. What do you think 60x?
Muzzy, I replaced my Wildcat C6 string with 60X.
Used it to take my first deer last season at 30 yds.
 
Where did you find the exact measurements for string? Also I need a new cable as well.
Just tell him directly and he will look it up. I can't remember off hand what it is.

I ordered string and cables too. Replaced them prematurely due to many stories of Barnett's failing early. They sit with my gear as backups, now.

They are super easy to deal with and very friendly!
 
amazone, and lancaster have it listed for $399, bowhuntersuperstore and eders have it listed for 359, none of them have it in stock. Called superstore yesterday and they said they would have it in 2-3 weeks. For that type of money I am willing to take the gamble.
Dunham Sports has them on sale for $329.99 until Sep. 30
 
After shooting a CP 370 I was hooked, and headed to Dicks for one of my own. Before getting there I read this article which made me want to check out the 380 too. I ended up getting the 380 for under $300 . What sold me on the 380 was the balance of the crossbow. It is very easy to hold steady on a target. The only con I have is the safety is way is too loud for hunting. I plan on contacting CP and / or was wondering if someone here as fix.
 
My crossbow collection just got a little bigger. I managed to score a Center Point Tormentor Whisper 380 for a song and a dance. My buddy at Crosman told me he can no longer get me great deals on crossbows. I guess this means I have to start paying at least their cost, way better that retail. But I did agree to do a review on this bow so here it is.

Tormentor Whisper 380, yep its a upgraded Tormentor. The upgrades consist of a better trigger group, better for grip (lighter, feels better in the hand), string stops with silencers on them and some real nice soft limb silencers. I like the new trigger the most. It is just a tad lighter, less travel and breaks very clean.

I must say as much as I love the Sniper crossbow and any variant of it the Tormentor is more at home in the woods, its just a great tree stand or blind bow. Very compact is an easy way to describe the Tormentor. At just 14" cocked this thing is as narrow as they get. The length is an easy to maneuver 35" stirrup to butt pad. With a solid non adjustable stock (minus the for grip, adjustable but silent) there are no moving parts to make any noise or vibrate during the shot cycle. The Tormentor feels very natural to shoot off hand sitting or standing, it just feels like an extension of the shooter.

Speed is an advertised 380 fps using the supplied arrows (400 grain) or a blazing near 400 fps using 350 grain arrows. I did all of my accuracy testing using Spynal Tapp 22" arrows at 456 grains for a real world 361 fps. Out of 10 shots put through the chronograph there was a modest 2 fps spread, darn good in my eyes. The bow was designed to sling 400 plus grain arrows, I don't recommend shooting under 400 grain arrows out of the Tormentor Whisper nor the first gen Tormentor.

I do not own a decibel meter but this bow is quieter than the first generation model. The string stops play a huge role in suppressing vibration after the shot. I'm sure the limb silencers do something other than looking very cool but shooting with and without I hear no real difference. Shoot the bow without the string stops and you will notice a large difference. Nothing like making a quiet bow quieter.

Accurate, well there are a lot of factors at play here,aren't there? The shooters ability to repeat, the bows ability to repeat, arrow consistency and that darn wind. Well I can say during my testing the only things that proved consistent was the bow and the arrows. Now that I threw my disclaimer out there to cover up for my ability I am at liberty to say the bow is very repeatable from shot to shot. I believe this is in part due to the acute angle of the string when cocked. I believe this forces the string to center every time, I find the Tormentor very difficult to cock off center, I have tried. Typical Center Point bows and Spynal Tapp arrows dictate one should not shoot at the same spot twice as it gets rather pricey. I will let the pictures speak for themselves regarding accuracy.

The scope is clear and functional. It was easy to sight in and has an accurate click value. It is not my favorite scope as the aim points have no yardage value that I can track reliably anyways. It is in my eyes what I like to label "tacticool". Wish they would have upgraded the scope to one of the illuminated ones, just saying.

Fit and finish is top notch. The camo dip is clear and attractive without being gaudy. It was a breeze to assemble as all parts fall into place requiring no fiddling or flexing to get parts into position. Like the first generation Tormentor I like the three bolt riser anchoring design. I have never been a fan of the one big bolt holding the riser to the bow. The attachment of the riser on the Tormentor is a big plus for me. The three bolt design to me ensures there will be zero flex or lean under tension before and during the shot cycle. In my eyes this lends itself to repeatability.

Accessories are the norm for a ready to shoot package. Three carbon arrows, quiver that functions very well, run of the mill rope cocker that should never wear out and a functional padded sling. I have no complaints about any of the accessories as they all prove to perform as designed.

The price point is attractive when compared to other compact bows with similar performance levels. For me its paramount to have a purpose built bow when going into the woods. The Tormentor is purpose built in that it was designed for hunting. Yes it is just as accurate at the bench as other bows but it excels in a tree stand or a blind. Its all about compact and little to no moving parts to fail, creek or rattle at the moment of truth. To me the Tormentor is like an Excalibur but in compound form. If you are a hunter the Tormentor is optimum but at a small premium.

All in all the Tormentor Whisper is another quality offering from the folks at Crosman. There is a lot to be said for buying goods backed by a American owned company that has been in business for over 100 years and has exceptional customer service.

And yes I had to sneak a picture of my Jeep into the review. LOL View attachment 39585 View attachment 39593 View attachment 39601 View attachment 39609 View attachment 39617 View attachment 39625 View attachment 39633
 
OK, I was just over to buddy's house today shooting our Xbow's. He has the Sniper 370, and it shoots 365 fps. Mine (the Tormentor Whisper 380) is shooting at only 350 fps with a 403 grain arrow. I have rechecked the bow assembly with the instructions and everything looks just like the pictures in the manual. So what can be wrong with my xbow? I do not have a bow press to do any work on it myself, and there is no one in my area that can work on it. Is there some reputable shop I can send it to that can maybe get it shooting somewhere close to the 380 fps?
 
where the arrows weighed on a good scale? I would call their support line and get the specs. for the axle to axle dimensions cocked and uncocked, then check yours, measure the axle to axle distance, each limb centerline to axle, cocked and uncocked to make sure the timing is the same on each side. it should be shooting quite a bit faster than 350 with a 403 grain arrow. I think they test them with a 380 gr. arrow setup. mine hits my crony at 368 average with Beman Thunderbolts, lighted nock and a 100 gr. nap 1 3/4" crossbow broadhead weighing in at 420 to 422 gr. When i get a chance i am going to crony it with 400 gr and a 380 gr. to see what the average will be.
I emailed them and asked for the cable and string length, so when i need to replace them i know what size to get. i was sent the info within 24 hours. I have heard that they are good about taking care of problems. Most xbows are tuned by twisting the cables to tune cams. axle to axle can be adjusted by twisting the string to shorten it if needed. but a crossbow press is needed.
 
I have only owned the bow for two days, so I have not weighed my bolts or run through my chrony. Looks like they test with a 360gr bolt.

A different string and tuning maybe would push the speed up. I was planning on apx. 400 grain hunting setup. Maybe 425 grain. 300 for body and lit knocks and a 100 or 125 broadhead.
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I didnt just pick for the speed. I was hoping to be around 350 - 365 fps for hunting with a reasonable amount of string wear and limb life.

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i thought it was tested with a 380gr. maybe it is barnett that uses 380, anyway 360 is way to light for 185 draw weight, string and cables would not last to long shooting that light, my whisper shoots great with a 420 gr. arrow setup. i am going to fine tune mine and try to get it up to 375 with my 420 gr. setup this winter. Mine is about 5/16" wider axle to axle than factory specs. Nobody close by me has a crossbow press so i built one. I was a little more work than i wanted but it will out last me. Had an old farm jack with an acme screw thread and i just happen to have a matching acme tap to use that i had for making a wood working vice. I had been using a 400 gr.arrow setup but when i went to the lighted nocks it pushed them up to 420 gr. Actually liked the way it performed better at 400 but i sure like the lighted nocks for seeing the arrow hit. anyway hope you like your new xbow....
 
Rharig. Could you share your 400 grain and current 420 grain arrow setup? It would give me a big headstart on developing an acceptable hunting setup.

A second question. A bow press allows you to tune the xbow. Is it necessary to use a press to change the string or upgrade the string on the Tormentor 380?


Sorry. I am new at this.

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The inexpensive bolts that came with the xbow average 414 grains and that includes a field tip that averages 99.5 grains. Well at least those should be heavy enough to not damage the crossbow. I have a couple of other cheap bolts that are a little lighter at 395 grains / tip of 99.5 grains.


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reply #34 has my setup, the 400 gr is without the lighted nocks, the only difference, lighted nocks add about 20 grains to total weight. the lighted nocks are about 30 grains each.. i bought 2 dozen of the Beman Thunderbolts last year when Cabelas had them on sale for $40 a dozen.
They work as good as any arrow i have tried. The ones that come with the xbow are the cheapest i have ever seen...i would never hunt with them...ok to practice with but i recommend using the same arrow that you are going to hunt with. I like the nap xbow mechanical broadheads, you can buy a practice head that flies the same as the hunting head for about $8. I use two practice heads and i use one of the regular ones to make sure my xbow is on target. ( i just clean it and reuse it for practice) I usually take a couple of apples out with me to the blind, one to eat and put one out about 25 yards to shoot at so i know my setup is shooting were it is supposed to be.
A xbow press is needed to change string or tune the xbow.
 
reply #34 has my setup, the 400 gr is without the lighted nocks, the only difference, lighted nocks add about 20 grains to total weight. the lighted nocks are about 30 grains each.. i bought 2 dozen of the Beman Thunderbolts last year when Cabelas had them on sale for $40 a dozen.
They work as good as any arrow i have tried. The ones that come with the xbow are the cheapest i have ever seen...i would never hunt with them...ok to practice with but i recommend using the same arrow that you are going to hunt with. I like the nap xbow mechanical broadheads, you can buy a practice head that flies the same as the hunting head for about $8. I use two practice heads and i use one of the regular ones to make sure my xbow is on target. ( i just clean it and reuse it for practice) I usually take a couple of apples out with me to the blind, one to eat and put one out about 25 yards to shoot at so i know my setup is shooting were it is supposed to be.
A xbow press is needed to change string or tune the xbow.
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