[Nichols 1911]

Try a dummy test using a small round screw driver to simulate the bow string
as if the crossbow was properly cocked. Now load an arrow and see if you can
set the safety to the fire position. If this does not work, the trigger box system is
either sticking or faulty.
For the Center Point crossbows, one has to over cock for their system to work
as compared to a normal crossbow. I have a Center Point Sniper XT 390 and
this is what I have to do. I modified mine to use a crank cocker similar to what
some of the rebranded Rocky Mountain crossbows uses that plug into the rear
of the butt stock.
Nothing wrong with the original riser but I had a chance to purchase a complete
415 Heat riser so this is what I am now using.

No problems with the trigger in regards to a heavy pull or creep.

Wishing you all the best.
Take care.

The more I've tried to cock both bows , the more the left cam seems to lean inboard, making me think its a sled or limb problem.

 

[bunnyrabbit]

Done that at the range, String latch mechanism seems really tough, but will engage, but not with pulling with sled. There's serious issues with this model. I've had several experienced shooters try. No go.

The design of the sled blocks one from over pulling, which one can do with the hook system.
Another thing that makes for hard cocking when getting near the fully cocked position is the
axle hole is not centered in the cam. It is like some vertical bows, that with them once over
the hump of the cam, it gets easier and reduces the holding weight.

A crossbow where the bow string comes next to the rail-stock when being cocked, has a much
sharper bowstring angle making it harder to cock.

In regards to the cam lean, on crossbows that have the split "Y" section on the cable, this is
how one can remove the cam lean. I have viewed similar crossbows like yours being shot
and there is cam lean problems right from new. Add a weak limb or a limb with a different
limb deflection, the cam is definitely going to lean.

With out owning one of those crossbows designed that way, I am not sure how one could
correct the cam lean.

Wishing you all the best.
Take care.

 

[Huntersthompson]

The 430x and the hellion are made by separate companies. Both sold by CP. You join 1 hour ago then just throw out random crap. Read already existing info here first before spewing.

 

[Nichols 1911]

The 430x and the hellion are made by separate companies. Both sold by CP. You join 1 hour ago then just throw out random crap. Read already existing info here first before spewing.

Not spewing anything, just looking for insight, easy boy.

 

[Nichols 1911]

Not spewing anything, just looking for insight, easy boy.

I've not seen anything on this bow, I've been looking for help, not trying to bash or step on toes, heck I'm not an internet guy. This is the first I've heard anyone talking about the bow. Sorry and thanks for any and all help 🙂

 

[Tubemkr]

I’ve had my Wrath not latch once or twice but I’m pretty sure it’s because I felt like I was overcranking and backed off before it fully latched. Totally my fault and since I’ve realized my error, it has never happened again.
While I suppose it is possible to get a defective trigger box on a new crossbow, I would think the odds are astronomically against getting two in a row. As for me, the Ravin powered CP400 and the (Poe Lang, Man Kung, or whoever makes them) Wrath 430 have both been solid, dependable crossbows at a fair price vs. value point. Sure, they could be better. They could have better triggers, or better fit and finish. They could also cost near $2k, which would put them completely beyond the reach of many (myself included) shooters. If you really want a high dollar top end crossbow, by all means, get yourself one. No judging on my part. Just know that a simple visit to any other brand on the manufacturers section here will reveal the same thing, and that is for every ten satisfied owners there will be one screaming that brand x is trash. The other 9 know better.

 

[Nichols 1911]

I’ve had my Wrath not latch once or twice but I’m pretty sure it’s because I felt like I was overcranking and backed off before it fully latched. Totally my fault and since I’ve realized my error, it has never happened again.
While I suppose it is possible to get a defective trigger box on a new crossbow, I would think the odds are astronomically against getting two in a row. As for me, the Ravin powered CP400 and the (Poe Lang, Man Kung, or whoever makes them) Wrath 430 have both been solid, dependable crossbows at a fair price vs. value point. Sure, they could be better. They could have better triggers, or better fit and finish. They could also cost near $2k, which would put them completely beyond the reach of many (myself included) shooters. If you really want a high dollar top end crossbow, by all means, get yourself one. No judging on my part. Just know that a simple visit to any other brand on the manufacturers section here will reveal the same thing, and that is for every ten satisfied owners there will be one screaming that brand x is trash. The other 9 know better.

I've had great success with my amped, many bows owned, just looking for insight on their new unit, I have too many. Just a suckered for the newest line of low end crossbows. Always love to hear pros and con's. Heck my R10 had an issue that was easily addressed by my local shop. Got to work the bug's out of everything. God Bless

 

[TX_RDXguy]

As shared here, the 400 and the 405 are products made by PoeLang or HoriZone and both of these companies have a history of producing lesser quality products. And I understand that you were not aware of that.

Roy at Ravin/CP is a pretty decent dude. Ask him if you can exchange the 400 for a WrathX. It has a history you can research here and is made by ManKung who have a history of producing the better products from the Tiawan trio of manufacturers.

Good luck!

 

[Nichols 1911]

As shared here, the 400 and the 405 are products made by PoeLang or HoriZone and both of these companies have a history of producing lesser quality products. And I understand that you were not aware of that.

Roy at Ravin/CP is a pretty decent dude. Ask him if you can exchange the 400 for a WrathX. It has a history you can research here and is made by ManKung who have a history of producing the better products from the Tiawan trio of manufacturers.

Good luck!

Thanks, I will be in contact with him. I appreciate all the information I've seen on your site! Great 👍

 

[DeadZombie]

The 430x and the hellion are made by separate companies. Both sold by CP. You join 1 hour ago then just throw out random crap. Read already existing info here first before spewing.

Dang dude, it shouldn't matter when he joined.. I didn't think their was a specific time frame to be on the forums before you can address a MAJOR a concern..

I happen to know the same issue he is having, and its a legit concern when even the tech guys at CP CONFIRMED that they couldn't the crossbow to cock back.. and then with one of the cams leaning in and being 3/8" lower than the opposite side..you don't need to be a brain surgeon to know that's not safe to use..

Heck I've even looked through these forums to no avail about this junk hellion.. there is definitely something wrong with the latch mechanism.. is almost as if the sled bottoms out on the backend to soon.. and then after about 10-15 pulls back, in my case, the cam starts to lean in.. not a design engineer, but it almost seems like the limb is either bending or about the break from the forces, or whatever screw goes from the limb through the cam and to thel ower limb is broken.. not sure, but I won't be pulling back on that thong anymore for fear of eating the cam..

 

[Tubemkr]

I've had great success with my amped, many bows owned, just looking for insight on their new unit, I have too many. Just a suckered for the newest line of low end crossbows. Always love to hear pros and con's. Heck my R10 had an issue that was easily addressed by my local shop. Got to work the bug's out of everything. God Bless

I was really eyeballing the Hellion myself and had hopes that it was made up by combining the best things from the cp400 and Wrath. Man, that would have been a sweet bow in my opinion. Perhaps not “different enough” by today’s standards but sure would have ended up on my wish list. Too bad it hasn’t panned out tho.

 

[RexB]

Hellion 400 is my first crossbow ever, i got it 25% off. I have had it since may, went turkey hunting with it. I love the slim profile. I switched out the garbage scope and i put a vortex red dot. I can get it to group within 1/2 inch at 30 yards, I havn't tried at 40 yards and dont intend to since turkeys are a small target for a beginner like myself. I did have problems getting it cocked, i did use a small screw driver, cocked it and pulled the trigger as well, after that, I was able to cock without any issues. I did shorten the pulling rope a good 3 inches to a point where i have to manually pull the string 1/2" or so to put the sled in place. Ever since, cocking is easier but not as easy as some other users. I havnt had any issues with cams or what so ever. I have fired at least 200 times with it and so far only thing i can see is the serving string is starting to have some wear. Other than that i would recommend this crossbow to anyone but not at full price. 899$ USD is a lot compared to other crossbows on the market. Only bad thing i have to say about my hellion 400 is the scope.

 

[OLD SCHOOL HUNTER 241]

I been a centerpoint guy for years and they have these on sale for 399 on centerpoint website reconditioned! I think it's a deal for sure! I have had many centerpoints and never a issue so see what happens hopefully I don't jinks myself! I will update once I get it and shoot it a few times!

 

[OLD SCHOOL HUNTER 241]

I got the crossbow and it's not even close to the wrath 430... the trigger was worse... it's to long for my liking also! She is being returned.

 

[Tubemkr]

I got the crossbow and it's not even close to the wrath 430... the trigger was worse... it's to long for my liking also! She is being returned.

How was the rest of the bow? There are a couple highly skilled trigger whisperers around here who could perfect that trigger if you liked the rest of the bow enough…

 

[OLD SCHOOL HUNTER 241]

It's big and nice just not what I am use to. Its narrow for sure! But way to long to what i am use to. I love the wrath 430. And I have had trigger work done in the past by rich. I bought as a backup and then bought the swat x1 also. For me I want something small. I use saddles and I go deep into public land. I also like the fact that I have the hand crank with other 2 bows. I got into bad accident in July. Can hardly pull the crossbow back. So the smaller the better and also hand crank. I would rather be taking my hoyt out but that's a no go this year!

 

[WreakingHavoc]

I gambled for the buy one get one... Bought the wrath 430x for me, hellion for the wife. Had the same issue right out of the box, though I was able to tinker with the trigger and the safety and got it working. Only hitch so far. Speed test through the Chrono shows it's shooting faster than the rated 400 (406fps) with the factory bolt, and it's pretty damn smooth, fairly quiet and damn accurate for this speed. Trigger is long on the pull and a tad heavy, but it's liveable. To compare, my wrath is only at 413 with factory bolts... 401 with zombies and 100gr points. Honestly, I'm really digging the bow. Both are accurate once dialed in, I can blow nocks off at 50y yards with either bow! I'm not an expert by any means, but it's seems built ok. Going to shoot it again today, I'll report back

 

[PatriotsCounsel]

I changed to a crossbow 2 years ago. I shoot a Wrath 430 and have the newer version of the Amped as a backup. As someone said earlier TXRDXguy is the go to guy for CP information and I have learned a great deal from his posts. Also, without a deep analysis it doesn't seem like there are many Hellion shooters in this community and CP has tried to give Hellions away when you buy a Wrath. I think that says something.

 

[WreakingHavoc]

I agree 😂, but I was going to buy the Wrath X anyways.... So getting the Hellion was a bonus. I hate the front foot stirrup as it flops while you're trying to load it. I had a power draw kicking around so I just swapped out the front shoe for the wife, now she does it herself. The bow (so far) had been great, only time will tell I guess. It's fast, pretty quiet and very nimble. I like it so far. The wife loves it. I like having the two different bows as I own a Ten point Havoc 440 for hunting. Chrono numbers on that are a consistent 465... Can't lose with either option❤

 

[PatriotsCounsel]

I hear you. I would have taken a Hellion for free. They weren't running that deal when I got my Wrath. Have a good season.