I have a new CP Wrath 430X, made by Mankung, with new custom strings & cables. The trigger has also been upgraded by rich @ txrdx. I have multiples of these and need to thin out the herd. $700 plus shipping.

 

If j were you i would by the ravin 5x listed in the classifieds and not look back!

 

I have a CP 370 and youre right, nothing near 370 fps, probably more like 330-335. I later bought a CP 425. It shoots about 380-385 (by doing the math). All I can tell ya is it is very much more noticeable over my 370 in speed.

 

Reading the last 2 pages of a book often leads to confusion .

 

Different strokes for different folks. Only one way to determine which strikes your fancy……….hands on trial👍🏻😊.

 

Not his first xbow and wants more speed.

 

Lots of speed n samolians. Go big or stay at Home. Take yer choice Ravin or Ten Pt. 2-3 K ias what it's going to take.

 

I always recommend an Excal recurve crossbow for starters……for lots of reasons. Simple, durable, easy to maintain, accurate, 400 grain arrow shooting 350 fps and reasonably priced.

 

So many factors to consider when trying to ethically kill a deer sized animal at 40 + yards. Speed of my arrow wouldn't be my main concern. It helps when trajectory needs to be determined but, speed doesn't necessarily lead to a killing set up. Alot of good info. has been provided. Good luck.

 

With an $800 budget I'd grab a new Logix 435 (non built-in crank version) and put the rest of the money towards a decent scope.

 

Back in June, with the great data that FMIC provided in his post #10, I produced a performance chart for that xbow with a trend line of all of the data. Using the chart, you can basically pick your arrow weight and get an idea of the speed you'd get.

 

This is right on the money, I bought the bow from FMIC and ordered some arrows from @WWB that weigh 410 grains and they are coming in at about 415 FPS using my speed ring scope.

 

I comfortably hunt to 60+ yards with a crossbow shooting 345-350’/sec with a 500g arrow. Yes, more speed is nice, but not necessary.
My recommendation is a KI LogiX ($499) from Wyvern Creations and use any left over $$s to buy arrows, BHs, optics, etc. This particular crossbow is, IMO, the best value available.
Look at post #10. Great info for you.

Good luck with your eventual choice.

 

My friend my posts may take some members back abit now n then. That speed you want will start about the 2 K mark, that's not budget model. $1400-$1900 will get you 420-430 area

 

Interesting test. Oem trigger vs custom accuracy test. I hope Tex picks up the gauntlet.

 

My dime now. Your not going to buy a crossbow at the speed your asking for that price. To get that speed with a good accurate model double the price ! If you really believe Marketing lying to your face so they can laugh as they steal your samolians go for it. 430 wrath may get you 400-405; Logix limb breaking turd may get the same. Barnett XP410 same. Ten Pt. models some will get there but cost is high, same with the Ravins.

 

A custom 430 X and it matters. His triggers alone make a difference.

 

I bookmarked this post so I'd remember it...gonna shoot a 3 shot group at 60yds with my Wrath 430X when I get a chance so I can see how it does. It doesnt have a trigger job but I think I can squeeze the spongyness out of the trigger in order to make 3 good shots.

 

I wouldn’t fixate on a fps number, or somehow figure 60 is an easy shot, most of the time. I recently owned a Barnett XP 400 that shot 404 with a 400 grain arrow. Also a KI Logix that shot 450 grain arrow at 400. That Wrath 430 that HT mentioned is a good option too.

 

PM TexRdx....👊

 

I would recommend KI Vital X 430 or something newer.

 

I hope you find the bow for you!

 

I own the the Raptor 410. Smoother shooting, quieter,great trigger,spot on accurate. Killed a pronghorn st 69 yards with a 1x red dot. Cables chew up around 100 shots without customization. 200-250 with. Why i did not mention it. Straight up great hunter,but not high use friendly for the guy that likes to shoot. Also the customization required not for your average Joe. (Did not do my own) I know some guys... 😬

 

The link below contains a list of speeds I got from a Logix 435 with a Garmin chrono before @Rakkin6 bought it from me. It should give you a rough estimate of what to expect from it if you go that route.

Logix 435 Speed Test

 

From the ones I mentioned the Wicked ridge and Killer Instinct will be the best bet for speed and price. You can get a Wicked Ridge Invader M1 that decocks with an advertised speed of 390fps that keeps you $100 under your budget. But that 390 will be closer to 375 once you move up in arrow weight. Still plenty fast and plenty for deer and any broadhead you want to shoot.

 

Very true what @Huntersthompson said. You'd be spending upwards of $2,000 to get a bow that actually shoots 430fps with a 400gr or heavier arrow. The Logix 435 is a solid bow...only issues I've seen or heard of is with the one with the built in crank. The Centerpoint Wrath 430 and 430X are both great bows. However, none of those are gonna hit 430fps. To be honest, you dont need a bow that shoots that fast to reach out and touch a deer at 60yds. You just need one that is accurate enough to shoot that far. Excaliburs are simple but very accurate. The Logix 435 is very accurate. I dont know if I'd trust the accuracy of a Centerpoint to reach out at that distance but it might. The Barnett Hyper Raptor probably will but she likes to chew up strings and cables. I would focus more on reliability and accuracy to get out to 60yds unless you're prepared to drop $$$$.

 

Here are a few reasons a crossbow will not shoot the advertised speed:
1)most manufactures advertise their speed using a lighter weight arrow
point combination but do not recommend shooting that light. As a rule
for every 10 grains over the advertised arrow point combination weight
the manufacture used, one will lose 3 feet per second.
2)cams can be in time but if not properly advanced this will result in slower
speeds.
To obtain many shots on the bowstring and cables, keeping them lubricated,
choose a crossbow where the bow string comes down outside of the cams.
This design reduces the smaller string angle at the latches helping to prevent
additional wear and serving separation in that area.
A crossbow where the bowstring comes down inside the cams is faster as
it has a longer power stroke but a much narrower string angle at the latches
which is harder on the serving as it tries to force it to separate.
A crossbow with the adjustable butt stock is nice when wearing different
clothing for weather conditions.
A crossbow with a crank cocking device is slower than using a rope but much
more accurate. Using a rope as one nears the fully cocked position, one may
pull a bit harder on one side off setting the serving in the arrow latch area.
This will create a different point of impact than the point of aim.
If using a crank cocking device one wants it in direct line with the rail stock,
not pulling downwards which creates extra stress and wear on the bowstring.
Some butt stocks can be modified for that crank as a plug in.
The higher the draw weight, the faster the crossbow and the more maintenance
and expense to keep it operating. Also much harder on targets.
Go to some bow shops and check out the crossbows for weight, length etc.
What suits one may not suit another. Some bow shops may have a small archery
range where the crossbow can be shot.
Check the classifide section on this forum as sometimes these crossbows are up
graded or come with accessories.
A crossbow that can be decocked is nice but is much more costly and more to
go wrong.
Wishing you all the best.
Take care.

 

TexRdx a member has or had a tricked out CP Wrath 430 X for sale. I would pm him about it.